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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 10:57 PM
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Here it is. Each graph shows two different runs.


THIS IS NOT JAN'S RMW TUNE. It is a mild first tune by a Hawaii tuner who uses the same tools as Jan.

This is the first dyno I've done with this car.
Now that we know where we are at he can start making adjustments.

 

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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 04:11 AM
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geeze guys.. i know it's a bit anti-climatic but almost 5 hours and no response? where are all the people dying to know?
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 04:56 AM
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Sorry, went to bed last night.

Those numbers are good numbers and I'm sure you can definitely feel a difference and perhaps I misread something but I thought I was reading that Jan got 248 ft. tq just out of an "S". (I know this isn't Jan's tune)

By no means am I trying to rain on your parade, in my mind I thought the numbers were going to be higher.

I remember reading somewhere that P-torque got like 264 or 274 ft lbs out of a bone stock jcw.

Perhaps I misread.

Now I know you said a mild tune, I just had it in my head it was going to be much higher. Maybe I have unrealistic expectations??

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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 05:43 AM
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don't stock JCW's make similar numbers??
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DNadar
don't stock JCW's make similar numbers??

No, he's got a mild tune... if I remember correctly, a stock JCW is like 194hp/197tq at the wheels.

Point is, if he wanted a mild tune , then he's right on the money.

I personally am looking for more than that. It's not worth the money (IMO) if I'm not cranking out quite a bit more. Guess I'll find out next week.

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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 09:39 AM
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Keep in mind this is the first time this car has been on a dyno. I wouldn't want a tuner who is going to crank everything to max on the first try without knowing where he is starting from or where he'll end up at. This tuner has also only tuned 2 other MINIs so far so it's not like he has the best values memorized already. Give it a couple more iterations and I expect they'll go much higher.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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If I'm reading the graph correctly it looks like the mild tune peaks at about 55HP over stock at the wheels and about 30 ft. lbs. of torque. Thats roughly a 25-30% increase in overall power over stock. I'm pretty impressed! And to think a dialed-in tune might net another 20 ft. lbs. of torque is awesome.

It would look much more impressive if you had stock dyno runs layered in the graph. Then you could see how significant the difference is throughout the RPM range.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FugitiveAI
If I'm reading the graph correctly it looks like the mild tune peaks at about 55HP over stock at the wheels and about 30 ft. lbs. of torque. Thats roughly a 25-30% increase in overall power over stock. I'm pretty impressed! And to think a dialed-in tune might net another 20 ft. lbs. of torque is awesome.

It would look much more impressive if you had stock dyno runs layered in the graph. Then you could see how significant the difference is throughout the RPM range.
I'm hoping the tuner will net another 30+ lbs torque and a few more HP once he starts fine tuning stuff. I don't have the stock map dynoed right now, but once I make it to the dyno with the tuner and his little genius box we'll be able to put the stock map on to get a baseline.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MotorMouth
I'm hoping the tuner will net another 30+ lbs torque and a few more HP once he starts fine tuning stuff. I don't have the stock map dynoed right now, but once I make it to the dyno with the tuner and his little genius box we'll be able to put the stock map on to get a baseline.

Another 30ft lbs would be unbelievable cool. I hope it works out for you. Like you said, it's the first go around.... a few more times and I'm sure he'll get it dialed in.

Keep us informed.

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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 10:43 PM
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The tuner is making a new map for me tonight and I'll probably load it tomorrow. I doubt I make it to the dyno real soon though. I'll wait until the tuner can go too and we can try out more than 1 map. I need to install my FMIC also.



Originally Posted by orangecrush

I remember reading somewhere that P-torque got like 264 or 274 ft lbs out of a bone stock jcw.

Perhaps I misread.

you didn't misread what was said. you just didn't realize that p-torque and just about everyone at mini2 quotes crank numbers not wheel numbers. who knows what correction factor they guess at. I saw one guy post 313 lbs torque over there (impressive even if you subtract 20% but not outrageously high)
 

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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 09:24 AM
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MM, nice graphs and numbers.

Do you have the software and files on your PC?

You might want to pick up the HP and Torque values in your runfile: display.

Similar to this one from my MCSa. This is my pre-dyno day before a club dyno day, we had not dyno'd an R56 automatic on this dyno. Not bad results.

Big graph to see the numbers and intersection.

Don

 
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by orangecrush
No, he's got a mild tune... if I remember correctly, a stock JCW is like 194hp/197tq at the wheels.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...92-post41.html

stock JCW making 212 whp and 220 wtq. this doesn't seem like the norm.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...767-post5.html

this one seems to be what most people get
 
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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I guess I was expecting more impressive numbers.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2009 | 11:57 PM
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Paid a visit to the tuner today where he loaded a new map for me after having studied my dyno. Haven't gone to the dyno again yet but it's definitely a lot stronger than it was!
 
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by howsoonisnow1985
Wa Wa Wa Waaa

I guess I was expecting more impressive numbers.
You've gotta remember, we dont have a bigger engine we just have slightly better components but displacement is the exact same. So room for growth on a JCW is much much less than the room for growth on an "S".

I'm sure our timing is already pretty much advanced. I think to get really good power out of our cars you'd have to go for a min of 93 octane, but Im sure most tuners would rather not tune to the ragged edge.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 01:40 PM
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once again, that was a mild tune. I'm sure my latest tune has much higher numbers although i doubt it matches Jan's tune.
 

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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 02:17 PM
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well then drive on down to Jan's.

http://www.goodgreentips.com/wp-cont...-the-water.jpg
 
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FugitiveAI
well then drive on down to Jan's.
I just did....

 
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by belacyrf

I'm sure our timing is already pretty much advanced..
not really. there is room for a few degrees more. It changes how your exhaust sounds too.
 
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