by that I mean, where will the new intercooler sit? same location, will there be enough space to fit a halo sprayer?

 

>>would it be possible to install DEI's CRY02 system over the new intercooler?

The short answer is no need and also stand by for a version of the intercooler that will have a cryo option
inside....


peter horvath
562 712 3270

 

>>minihune, i dont know much about cars, but will try to help out a bit on the FAQ
Thanks for your input- here's why I ask this. My MCS is my daily driver. It is not a weekend sports special and so I need it for street use and not be punishing or too harsh. I have passengers and use it like any other car. But on somedays I want to take it to the track or driving school or autocross and have lots of fun. So it's got to be refined and civilized enough to be street friendly and yet be mean enought to burn up the track and handle like a bat out of hell.

>>>>Driveability- Ok for street use?
>>
>>henessey makes power upgrades kit for dodge vipers. the stock viper has 500HP, and the henessey kits make them about 800-1000 HP...are they daily driveable? well i think the question is relative. is 500 hp viper daily driveable? some would say yes and some would say no. i think with this supercharger you can certainly use the mcs for every day use, then again a mc is fine for everyday use, so i think its all relative.
>>
If after driving any performance car your ears and butt are hurting after about 2 blocks, I would say that is it not a pleasant experience. I was in a Honda with suspension coil overs and big muffler on the street and it was distinctly not as good a ride as my MCS. Even if you added tons more HP it was too harsh and rough, too loud. I think I need some stealth like slightly more response from the intake, exhaust or engine but not overdoing it.

>>>>Performance- 0-60 difference or quartermile times, difference of lap times on track?
>>
>>
>>being in drag racing for many years, that time you get at LACR in palmdale will vary GREATLY from the time i get at california speedway. so i think after a few customers get this on thier car, at that time #s will be be available. he said there is a 4week leadtime on the product. i dont think he is out on the tracks (infinion raceyway) trying to get the track times for the mini yet
Maybe one full second better 0-60 mph time? Maybe 1.4? vs say 6.9 for the stock S. I know it really depends on the track, the driver, the wheels, and the start.
>>
>>>>Gas Mileage- much worse?

>>if u gotta ask, its not for ya 300 HP..forget about efficiency..
>>
I think this is the stock answer. If you have low HP then you OUGHT to get good gas mileage and the opposite is expected- if you have 240 HP you ought to get 16-18 mpg. But I tell you that with the MCS done right with upgrades it is possible to do both on demand. But only if you are thinking about what you are doing and only if you know how to drive to get the best mpg for the set up you have. At 300 HP you have the choice to drive hard but as a turbo you do not need to. So if you drive normal street speeds then what mpg would you get? 20? That would be ashame if it was because then you removed the economy out of the 1.6 liter engine. In essence you tuned in the performance at the cost of efficiency for fuel. In today's socio-economic and energy crisis I will consider the effect of what I do and buy. I'm not keeping this car for 2 years. I'll be here with it for a long time.

>>>>Effects of overall engine reliability over time? Does this wear out the engine prematurely?
>>?

>>as with all motors, when there is extra pressure, there is chance of degradation of the engine reliablitly. my stock crx came with 110 HP. after turbo'ing i was putting down 227 HP at the wheels. i drove that car for 2 years with 0 problems, and put in about 36K miles on it. however i have seen people build honda's wtih 180Hp that blew the motor. it all depends on how you drive your car and such. as you know many people have probs with thier minis, ,but me and you dont have any, there lies the differences. whoo knows why. will people who got their pulleys from randy have premature engine failures? we wont know till they get higer in the mileage. so i believe you cant really ask this question fairly.

Yes. Depends how your drive. So although I may have 300 HP to access I can choose how to use them and still save my engine excess wear and tear. Also I can do the preventive maintenance needed to keep my engine healthy. Still there is the limit of design and ever higher power leads to much higher chance of excessive wear over time and ultimately failure. The bottomline is we don't really know and so don't be surprised if it isn't as long as you think. It is the risk of high performance parts- nothing new really, happens in all sports.

Thanks for your feedback- just trying to state a viewpoint from the non racing more practical perspective.

 

Peter,

Looks awsome. Cant wait for more numbers. However you did give us one so I'll work with that...

It was not entirely clear to me but does the 5600 price tag include the piggyback and the intercooler with waterpump, etc.? essentially are you going to provide a working package for that price or is that just for the SC?

Thanks

Chuck

 

>>You have a more efficient supercharger but you are still running 15 PSI. At 15PSI the only gain you will see is you have less drag on the engine so you get a few HP back from what it took to drive the old supercharger with the belt. The other thing I am reading above is that you CAN get more boost.

No if you would be running the M7 twin screw supercharger at 15psi of boost you would get 33% more boost and run about 35% cooler this is where you gain the power and on top of that less parasitic drag.you could very easily regear
the SC with a smaller or larger pulley and get 200-220-240-300+ hp with the caveat more power more fuel
better bottom end etc.

>>The only way your gonna get ALLOT more power is to change the pulley size and add boost to the 20 somthing level. You might get 10 to 20% efficiency difference over what it takes to drive the screw type vs roots from the load off the engine?

Again the horse power level is not only depending on boost (psi) but volume of air the unit can pump in to the engine
and the temperature of the charge air, cooler charge air= more horsies

>>So you have been testing it at 15 PSI for several months. I am sure you have had it dyno tested then? Please post those numbers. I am wondering what the efficiency is compared to our stock one and not the mustang. Also Since you have already provided pics of the unit do you mind please snapping some pics of the unit on your test car?

I never stated that the unit has been tested for several months at 15psi of boost, and we are keeping as much as possible under wraps but with that said you will see numbers and in detail photos soon. If you are local to us
I will invite you or anyone else to call me for a test drive......... no problem just call me! The Mustang article
was only to show a comparison between a roots style(mini cooper S) and the Autorotor unit.


>>Trying to see if this adds up cost wise. I am sure you understand. Thanks for all the info so far.

This is so much fun and I appreciate all the questions, and beleive me it will be worth every cent spent.

peter Horvath
562 712 3270

 

>>Peter,

>>Looks awsome. Cant wait for more numbers. However you did give us one so I'll work with that...

>>It was not entirely clear to me but does the 5600 price tag include the piggyback and the intercooler with waterpump, etc.? essentially are you going to provide a working package for that price or is that just for the SC?



Hi Chuck
Yes that is the projected price tag with every thing, intercooler, piggyback, water pumps ...complete. Now with that said I will offer some options for the most discriminate of our readers....hihi. Anodized hose ends custom hoses
etc. And on top of that it will be C.A.R.B certified so all our friends in California can join the fun!

peter horvath
562 712 3270

 

>>No if you would be running the M7 twin screw supercharger at 15psi of boost you would get 33% more boost and run about 35% cooler this is where you gain the power and on top of that less parasitic drag.

So you mean it'll get 15psi, the same boost (psi), but the CFM airflow is 33% higher. Sounds pretty badass.

 

I'll agree that the twin screw supercharger has its advantages over the eaton but let's be honest here. This doesnt seem like a very well thought out kit. I think the shots of the bracketry exemplifies how "custom" this kit is.

Electric waterpumps are not the way to go on 100% of street cars and 90% of race cars. Having your waterpump fail never leads to a cheap or easy fix.

Piggyback fuel injection is another bandaid fix thats almost guaranteed to drive you nuts. I've wrenched on an autorotor blown truck that went SLOWER down the blacktop dyno than it did stock! All about the lousy Kenne Bell aftermarket fueling. Whether this one is better or not, I can only speculate but I've never met one I liked!


--
Cheese

 

minihune, as always..it is a great pleasure to talk to you and discuss topics, since you are very cool minded and rational. thanks for your input, i will share a bit of my personal experience :smile:




>>Thanks for your input- here's why I ask this. My MCS is my daily driver. It is not a weekend sports special and so I need it for street use and not be punishing or too harsh. I have passengers and use it like any other car. But on somedays I want to take it to the track or driving school or autocross and have lots of fun. So it's got to be refined and civilized enough to be street friendly and yet be mean enought to burn up the track and handle like a bat out of hell.
>>




i totall understand this point. most of my cars..have been daily drivers that were heavily modded. as you mentioned on the no rattles thread, after ur springs were installed, the car had a few more rattles. thast my point precisely. its very hard to have a balance and have a car be super fast a great daily driver. sure my turbo crx could run 12.7 1/4 mile, but it would also break ur teeth in the streets of la. as you know very well there are compromises. but i understand it is ur daily car. imo (and most people dont have funds to support this)..is to have a race car..and daily driven..car..however this is not practical.

thus i suggest you pick up an m3 or m5, practicality and a kick *** car at the track. (joking ..i love the mini :smile: )



>>If after driving any performance car your ears and butt are hurting after about 2 blocks, I would say that is it not a pleasant experience. I was in a Honda with suspension coil overs and big muffler on the street and it was distinctly not as good a ride as my MCS. Even if you added tons more HP it was too harsh and rough, too loud. I think I need some stealth like slightly more response from the intake, exhaust or engine but not overdoing it.
>>



tell me about those hondas, i have quite a few of those.. :smile:




>> Maybe one full second better 0-60 mph time? Maybe 1.4? vs say 6.9 for the stock S. I know it really depends on the track, the driver, the wheels, and the start.




well you can just use HP/lb and do the math. if there is 300HP..i bet out it wil be a bit faster to say the least :smile: kinda lazy now..on a friday night :smile:

 

>>etc. And on top of that it will be C.A.R.B certified so all our friends in California can join the fun!


Thanks Peter. Being a Californian I definately appreciate the CARB cert. I am also totally in favour of efficency whereever possible, in this case, perhaps doing more with the same boost (and as I read it with my neophytic understanding the same or at least similar engine wear - its pressure that's going to blow your engine is it not).

So I am definately among the interested in seeing some of the results.

 

Dream 300 hp all you want. I don't think the driveline can handle it over an extended period of time. There's already a guy here (or on MINI2) that's ripped stock axles in half with only 240hp. What's 300 going to do? The stock clutch won't take that kind of beating for long, either. On top of that, from what I read in other threads here, the 6 spd. is only rated for around 250hp.

Don't want to burst a lot of bubbles here. But, while you're planning to spend $5600 for this rig, you might as well save up another 3 to 5 thousand to beef up the rest of the drivetrain components to hold it. After all, you're adding this power to use it, right? If you plan on taking it easy with the car, why go through all the expense?

It is a nice set up though. It just doesn't equate out with cost, gains, and added wear on the car. Good luck to whoever trys it.

 

>>I'll agree that the twin screw supercharger has its advantages over the eaton but let's be honest here. This doesnt seem like a very well thought out kit. I think the shots of the bracketry exemplifies how "custom" this kit is.

Ok Cheese It's amazing how the experts are comming out at night with there Monday morning quarter backing.
So tell me CHEESE whats wrong with the brackets? It's amazing you know, I have a 22" Mac flat screen I can't make out how the surface finnish realy looks so how can you! ........but wait your kidding......... OK


>>Electric waterpumps are not the way to go on 100% of street cars and 90% of race cars. Having your waterpump fail never leads to a cheap or easy fix. Piggyback fuel injection is another bandaid fix thats almost guaranteed to drive you nuts.

I'm flabbergasted your a bonafide expert....where's your fantastic well engineered products that will take all of us
out of the boring sameness that the product offerings on the market right now is giving us...you know overhyped exhausts, no hp CAI's and pulleys that will only take you so far! CHEESE you don't know what the hell you talking about..Electric waterpumps are used on millions of vehicles around the globe on street and race cars there reliable
contrary to your beleives. yes you're right that if someting happens to a waterpump it's not an easy fix electric or
mechanical. Piggyback fuel computers no good please..... you're kidding again, I'm not even going to go there.

CHEESE have good night, call me if you need some more info


peter

 

>>Arrr Maties! If you run an electric waterpump you're asking fer trouble.>>

That's what people said 15 years ago when we designed the electronic thermostat for the Corvette.

If he uses a high quality pump, good sensors and some kind of sound failsafe like a fuel cutoff or a BIG RED light on the dash it'll fly with me.

 

:smile: :smile:

oh btw my dad said he liked your mini, but too many buttons

 

that is insane!

 

I think Moorlockx said it the best. Just like a Turbo upgrade, this is probably the LAST upgrade some would do. After they spent time building up everything up.

I still want to see some dyno number, some pictures, maybe even a video...but I am sure that will all come in due time...

 

looks like mancheese is stirring up this post.

 

just ignore the cheese.

 

Mr Horvath,
For the sake of your customers, I hope your engineering experience exceeds your spelling and grammar skills.

I challenge you to find a successful implementation of an electric waterpump on any sort of a mass produced basis. Last I checked, even F1 cars don't use electric waterpumps. I think their R&D budget exceeds yours.

Do you honestly think an aftermarket fueling computer is a better solution than a custom program?

For the record I am a degreed engineer and I have prior experience in internal combustion engien research that makes this "product" look like lego. Now my job isn't related to the R&D end of the automotive industry anymore. My free time is primarily devoted to grad school and not to bring innovation to this market, but that doesnt invalidate my knowledge or opinion. I'm not claiming to know everything but I think I've earned the acceptance of most of your peers.

Best of luck to you! :smile:


Regards
Cheese

 

>>just ignore the cheese.
>>
>>

I love you too!

--
Cheese

 

Knocking a guy for his spelling? Good God, why don't you just call him instead of bashing something you know not of?

He is a great person to speak to and it might even be within your best interest to give him a friendly call. He would probably be more than happy to speak to you about this product and the mini in general.

I have not met anyone who does not know the Mini better than him.

Just ask anyone who's met/phoned him.

Good Luck with your (obvious) Crusade.



_________________
And lastly, you should let him know who you are when you call him. That might help your situation.

 

Mr. Cheese, Sir,

I am glad you put in your thoughts. I think all the different thoughts and opinions that make up this board are very helpful to all. I am probably the worst speller on this board. So take it for what its worth If you will criticize Peter for spelling, should you not check your own spelling first?

I have quoted the mistake above.

As per Webster dictionary, the word in question is correctly spelled as: ENGINE

Main Entry: 1en·gine
Pronunciation: 'en-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English engin, from Middle French, from Latin ingenium natural disposition, talent, from in- + gignere to beget --
a : a mechanical tool: as (1) : an instrument or machine of war (2) obsolete : a torture implement


I don't mean to bust your chops, but wanted to point out something I thought was important.



Happy Motoring.

_________________
"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and those who buy by price alone are this man's lawful prey."-John Ruskin

 

Woooooooooooooooooooo!
I want one. NO I need one :smile:
Need to save money A.S.A.P

 

arrrghh. I talked to M7, and no amount of cajoling, pleading and begging would convince him to sell me the system prior to testing. (absoloutly refuses to test the product on a customers car) i guess i could respect that. but damnit, I want it now!!! (and I know he has the units, I saw the nice shiny things. must have shiny thing.)

I guess patience is a virtue right?

 

patients are a virtue Lester
Patients


HAHAHHA


*MedJoke*