>>Beta testing on a customer car could be expensive, I applaude M7 for NOT Beta testing on anyone but M7 cars.
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beta test

n : a second test of an experimental product (such as computer software) carried out by an outside organization

 

I appreciate your efforts and investment in the MINI Peter. I look forward to continued testing on this product and being involved with the development.

That said, a couple of things I would like to address:

I would not knock the current products you are developing, and I would ask that you not knock the current offerings of the rest of the market (not just me) to hype your own products. There are pros and cons to everything out there. Here is the quote I am referring to:

"I'm flabbergasted your a bonafide expert....where's your fantastic well engineered products that will take all of us out of the boring sameness that the product offerings on the market right now is giving us...you know overhyped exhausts, no hp CAI's and pulleys that will only take you so far! "

With those overhyped exhausts, no hp CAI's and pulleys my car has over 200 hp at the wheels - over 230 at the crank - and I can drive it to the track, set a fast time of day, then stop at the grocery store on the way home with the air on and the CD player belting out my favorite tunes. I also don't have to worry about anything failing since I have tested everything and had numerous discussions with the right people. I know you are doing quite a bit of testing as well, and I of course applaud that, just don't slam the development already out there because it wasn't yours. :smile:

The other thing I wanted to ask about is this statement:

"No if you would be running the M7 twin screw supercharger at 15psi of boost you would get 33% more boost and run about 35% cooler this is where you gain the power and on top of that less parasitic drag."

If you run one at 15 psi and the other at 15 psi, you are getting the same boost - not 33% more. The article about the Ford mentioned 33% more boost, but they were referring to the additional 4 psi you get with that set up. I may just be reading what you are saying wrong, so I wanted to get clarification.

I agree that with high boost applications, the Roots is not the adiabatically efficient set up, which is why I was interested in the Whipple and now your Autorotor, but that is where the advantage comes from, not additional boost. The boost curve (directly related to the rotor design) and the temp to create that boost are what should be touted. Do you have any of those graphs overlayed on the stock Eaton/Roots graphs? I have some for the Whipple, and I would assume they are similar considering the Lysholm type design if you'd like to use them for comparison.

Thanks for clarifying, and I look forward to continued development.

Randy



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M7,

Looks like an interesting project.

Do you have any ballpark figures of torque in your test vehicle running @ 250hp? (maybe even a curve)

Can't wait to see the intake install - sure is tight in there.

I see the lead time is 4weeks. When do you hope to be selling the first kits?

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I completely agree, which is why I stated the above. I certainly hope it will end there, and that now just more info can be issued about this interesting and promising deveolpment.

I don't think it was a direct bash on me or the products I currently sell, just more of a statement of the current inadequacy Peter must see in the offerings available now. They aren't inadequate, just not quite as outside the box (which I always like) as Peter's ideas. That's all I wanted to point out in my post.

PLEASE don't turn this into a bashing of either side. So everyone knows, Peter and I are already communicating and have been for a number of months. I think he has some neat ideas.

The other question I had was just to clarify so I understood Peter's point about the psi vs. boost. English is not Peter's first language, so I think he does a pretty good job communicating on the board. He also does a good job clarifying, so I just asked him outright to avoid confusion.

Hope that helps!

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Randy

 

What Peter is offering here is a solution for a problem that many have known existed since the introduction of this car. That is, the inefficiency of the Eaton type supercharger, the inability to spin it fast enough to get much more that 1.1 bar, the high heat and high parasitic drag at the upper end of its operating range and the overdirve problem with the water pump if you want to make it go faster.

I know that Randy has been considering alternatives for the last year and others have discussed these problems on MCO.

I applaud Peter for apparently being the first to beta with a solution and I can't wait to see how it works. He's pushing the envelope and that's what its all about isn't it?

Are his brackets pretty enough? I think that anyone who pays for a polished exhaust system is a fool. $o I don't care.

Will his piggyback fuel control and electronic water pump work, now that takes brains and I hope its successful.

BTW, while the front is off of the car plan for the right clutch, flywheel and LSD else y'all spraying into the wind

 

M7,

This is very exciting news, refreshing to see somebody in the marketplace pushing the boundaries. Looking forward to seeing your conclusions (performance) upon completion of all testing.

Kevin

 

>>>I have a 22" Mac flat screen I can't make out how the surface finnish realy looks so how can you! >>

Wait a min, I thought you had this on your car?

 

So I have helped build a 1990 VW Corrado with a BBM Lysholm Twin Screw Charger. all I have to say is WOW. Very Very Very loud. It has the noise, and intensity of a fire engine siren when driving. I'm not exaggerating that a bit, people actually slow down and pull over when he pulls up behind them.

It has the following

Lysholm Charger
Howitzer intake
Rising Rate FPR
custom built 550cc injectors
3" Autotech exhaust
Electromotive Tec II Engine mgmt

The Tech II isn't set up perfectly yet but the car will still outrun pretty much anyhting in the area.

angin the car is borderline obnoxious


Since then I have vowed I would get a Lysholm for my Mini. I really like noise!!

 

Is it possible to replace our Eaton with the Twin Screw Charger and keep everything else stock? I would like to swap the chargers only. Since Twin Screw is more efficient it would give us more power and cooler intake temps, which is better for our motors.
What do you guys think?

Paul.

 

Its possible if someone addressed the waterpump which is attached to the eaton unit. It would most likely require a custom case, if not an entire custom unit.

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Cheese

 

I had asked about that since I was also considering CF copies of stock plumbing for the intercooler but sadly I was told it's one or the other. If the twin screw unit goes in, stock plumbing will be useless. I dunno if the new setup will be cast, or molded CF. either way I'm saving up my pennies and pulling as much OT to get either one (twin screw)or the other(just CF plumbing)

 

>>I had asked about that since I was also considering CF copies of stock plumbing for the intercooler but sadly I was told it's one or the other. If the twin screw unit goes in, stock plumbing will be useless. I dunno if the new setup will be cast, or molded CF. either way I'm saving up my pennies and pulling as much OT to get either one (twin screw)or the other(just CF plumbing)

I'd sit tight for a little while. There is a middle road (a little from column a and a little from column b) and i expect its going to be revealed shortly.


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Cheese

 

I think I'll just get the M7 twinscrew supercharger when it's released. At the very least I'll be faster than most, and while everyone debates whether to get it or not, I'll already have it.

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>>I think I'll just get the M7 twinscrew supercharger when it's released. At the very least I'll be faster than most, and while everyone debates whether to get it or not, I'll already have it.
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I am still dreaming of actuall pictures of this on a Mini. Is this a dream? There are allot of obsticales in this install to overcome.

I give it 30 days then I call the BS card!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

.I dont know dude. Why wait for a turbo it seems like its being done already.

This guy did it.


It seems like your waiting for something thats out already. This supercharger isn't out so actually your waiting for a supercharger when the turbo is out. I'm confused

 

Nobody has shown evidence of a turbo kit...just pictures of a private install...

 

sorry but this supercharger is only a pic. It has not been proven to be more than just that either.

 

>>sorry but this supercharger is only a pic. It has not been proven to be more than just that either.
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My point exactly. At least that turbo is in a car.

This its nothing more than another plug for a company disguised as thread about not waiting for a turbo kit.

 

Hey guys,

Just to throw my .02c in, I have met with Peter - seen the products he has (and is working on), and can confirm that he's got the real deal. Not only does he have the financial horsepower to bring this and other projects to market - he (and his team) also have the technical knowledge to make this a successful kit. I also don't think that Mini Mania, a company with over 30 years of experience in the MINI market, would be involved with M7 if they weren't legitimate.

That being said, why don't we take this post at face value - as a teaser - and wait to see what Peter has in store for us with what looks to be an incredible kit.

Regards,

-Dan

BenFer Performance, Inc.

 

I have a few questions:

what are all those holes for in the brackets/adapter plates?

do you have a picture of the intake manifold? how are you equalizing flow into each intake runner, and how do the intake and exit from the blower look? are they as restrictive as the stockers?

If you bump up the injector volume to allow for high boost/hp loading, how will the low speed running be? Are you still in the overall operable range of the injector flow?

This is a huge project and looks cool, but I would worry about the piston loading and combustion chamber shape when given 20psi boost as well as the ability of the bottom end to handle 300hp.

You mention a 1 year warranty; can you elaborate? what happens if one throws a rod or holes a piston?

now a rant or two:

spelling is a beetch in genberal on thes foiurem. It can be corrected, it usually is obvious and I see no reason not to point out misteaks. Even the Enquirer gets spelling right. To point out spelling errors and typos is not a personal assault!

there was a comment about "snapped drivelines" and as I recall, that poster later indicated that he had misdiagnosed his problem.

 

>>what are all those holes for in the brackets/adapter plates?

To prevent the SC from flexing on the bracket 1/2" and 3/8" 6061 aluminum was used, the holes are for
the obvious weight saving.

>>do you have a picture of the intake manifold? how are you equalizing flow into each intake runner, and how do the intake and exit from the blower look? are they as restrictive as the stockers?

Thanks for asking but right now I rather not show any pictures as copying and taking other manufacturers ideas
seems rampant in the Mini comunity, just look at CAI's. With that said we are using a very low restriction manifold
with none of the OE system drawbacks. The whole intake system is new from Throttle body to head.


>>If you bump up the injector volume to allow for high boost/hp loading, how will the low speed running be? Are you still in the overall operable range of the injector flow?

I have been running on our new 410cc injectors for 2 weeks now (stock ECU) with no idle or low speed problem
as a matter of fact the car feels smoother with no hesitation. These injectors will fit in the stock location with
stock intercooler, Mini mania will have them this week..


>>This is a huge project and looks cool, but I would worry about the piston loading and combustion chamber shape when given 20psi boost as well as the ability of the bottom end to handle 300hp.

You are absolutely right! the load at 300hp with stock internals would be ill adviced, thats why we are offering
pulleys at different sizes and the recommended start up pulley would be 240hp. M7 will also have a new oil cooler
system very soon that can be added for a fairly small amount of money.

>>You mention a 1 year warranty; can you elaborate? what happens if one throws a rod or holes a piston?

Yes 1 year warranty on the supercharger system and it's components. This will not cover blown pistons, rods
or other engine related problems.....why you ask? It is to easy to change a pulley size and suddenly have 300hp
even if you use stock internals, and mark my word it will happen. Any way the system will come as a 240hp
system from M7 CARB approved and tested, plenty for most people.


>>now a rant or two:

If you are bittching about my spelling.....sorry! I'm Swedish and this is my second language and when you ranting about someone's spelling you better check you own...........Misteaks!! sound yummmy... porterhouse anyone?


>>spelling is a beetch in genberal on thes foiurem. It can be corrected, it usually is obvious and I see no reason not to point out misteaks. Even the Enquirer gets spelling right. To point out spelling errors and typos is not a personal assault!
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Peter horvath
562-712-3270

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Thank you Peter.

Is the recommeded start-up pulley that would produce 240hp based upon everything else being stock?

For those of us who have other mods in place like an aftermkt intake, header, and catback (for example), I would assume that those would increase the output to well beyond 250hp. I guess that is where some concern comes into play where getting too much can be problematic...

I am looking at your kit very seriously. I however don't want to lose some of the performance mods I have already installed... to keep her output levels in a "safe" range.

Curious to know your thoughts on this concern.



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>>Thank you Peter.
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>>Is the recommeded start-up pulley that would produce 240hp based upon everything else being stock?
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>>For those of us who have other mods in place like an aftermkt intake, header, and catback (for example), I would assume that those would increase the output to well beyond 250hp. I guess that is where some concern comes into play where getting too much can be problematic...


hi Tony........
No problem M7 will have 14 different pulley sizes to chose from allowing us to realy
hone in on your systems sweet-spot. Allowing a system like your's to stay as is and then customize the pulley size
to meet your Horse power needs. As always please call me for any further Questions.

Peter horvath
562-712-3270

 

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I like that approach very much.

Eventually, it would be nice to see a list of recommended changes to the brakes, suspsension, and tranny etc with the various achiveable outputs so the consumer can make an educated choice with the big picture consideration...

Share more as you can...

Thanks!