I know this has been done somewhere in here before, but can somebody point me to a comparison of the various air intakes for an S? Has anybody seen or used the one from xoxo on Ebay? Is it a case of you get what you pay for? I would like to stay sub $200. Horsepower figures are all over the map, depends what site you read.

 

Any Intake is pricey for the low gains they actually give you.

Some intakes actually lower your HP

An intake under the MCS Hood is nearly pointless, considering the amount of heat that is held in there.
And the placement for most of these is on top...heat rises..into the intake.

But, if you want something fancy to look at when you pop open the bonnet, buy something shiny.

 

i believe that the intake will be helpful once you get a reduction pulley and/or exhaust. but i have to agree with mighty, i have the madness intake and noticed very little change, but i do not regret getting it.

 

Whaaa?

I'm not sure what testing you've been doing, but you are a bit off on this one.

Typically, an intake will give between 6-8 horsepower over stock. That's pretty good considering the cost per horsepower.

Here is a breakdown of the units:

Alta

This is the best intake currently on the market. It includes a larger bore silicone hose which is very heat resistant (68mm vs. 60mm). This unit also uses a dual element UNIFilter, giving it better performance over the service interval of the unit. The big advantage to this system is the design philosophy - it draws in air from the higher pressure area of the cowl by removing the partition between the intake and the cowl. It also has a complete heat shield that seals to the underside of the bonnet. Power is between 7-9 depending on other mods. It costs $259 with the hose, but is available without the hose for $199.



Madness

This intake is one of the nicest units out there for fit and finish. It uses a cotton element filter from S&B that incorporates a dual cone and a ram pipe base. This unit also uses a heat shield that completely seals to the underside of the bonnet. Gains in the 7 horsepower range. $239.



PROMINI/BMP

This intake was one of the first on the market. It uses a heat shield that covers most of the element, but still allows some heat from the under bonnet to be used. It uses a high quality cotton element. This unit sounds great and allows for the use of the BMP strut brace. Gains in the 4-5 horsepower range. $170



Pipercross

This unit uses a full heat shield with a foam Pipercross element that incorporates an aluminum base ram pipe. It uses a smaller element than most of the other systems, and the finish and fit isn't quite as nice as the others. Gains of 6-7 horsepower. $160



K&N Typhoon

This system isn't one of the better units out there. It does not use a full heat shield, it uses aluminum tubign to replace the rubber boot and plastic ram air pipe that are both better at insulating heat, and the ram pipe replacement is open to the entire underside of the engine compartment. Initial gains with this unit are good - 7-8 horsepower, but as the car runs and a second or third pull is done, the numbers drop drastically. Prices range from $275 to $399 depending on the vendor.



Pilo Intake

This system is a great alternative for bidget minded consumers. Basically the same design as the Madness, this unit uses a Green Filters UK cotton element - which is one of the best available. Green Filters UK has been involved in WRC cars for a number of years. The gains wiht this unit are 6-7 horsepower. $145.



Again, MM I'm not sure where you got that info, but it is incorrect, as I've dyno tested each of these units, as have others. Lots of folks now use these systems and all have been happy with the results.

Hope that helps!

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Even the exhausts out there provide very LITTLE gains for the $

Buy some neon.
Take a Driver's Course
Suspension and wheels
radio upgrade
take a vacation
buy a cooperflag
new shoes!

all the above provide what they claim and are worth the $

 

post all the true dynos as a comparison

I think that would help

also post some temp readings near the intake

I have yet to be convinced that an Intake costing nearly $300 is worth the minimal power, that's all.

Send me your recommended (best) and one of your worst and maybe I'll change my mind... but I doubt it

 

>>post all the true dynos as a comparison
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>>I think that would help
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>>also post some temp readings near the intake
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>>I have yet to be convinced that an Intake costing nearly $300 is worth the minimal power, that's all.
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>>Send me your recommended (best) and one of your worst and maybe I'll change my mind... but I doubt it


So does this mean you haven't done any testing to back up your statement? Not attacking, but I spend a butt-load of cash testing each unit on the dyno to be able to give these numbers.

As for posting the results, I'm working on gettoing the files out of the computer that runs the dyno to be able to post them legibly. Right now, all I have are pics of the dyno sheets, which don't show up at al when I try to post them. I have witnesses though!

Randy

 

>>I know this has been done somewhere in here before, but can somebody point me to a comparison of the various air intakes for an S? Has anybody seen or used the one from xoxo on Ebay? Is it a case of you get what you pay for? I would like to stay sub $200. Horsepower figures are all over the map, depends what site you read.

The other simple option if you have not committed to a cold air intake box design is just to start with a drop in filter:
Unifilter (foam)
K&N (not everyone likes these)
Green (good performance history)

All easy to install and some gains (not much louder for SC) , lower cost. available from MCO sponsors. Shop around.

 

>>So does this mean you haven't done any testing to back up your statement? Not attacking, but I spend a butt-load of cash testing each unit on the dyno to be able to give these numbers.
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>>As for posting the results, I'm working on gettoing the files out of the computer that runs the dyno to be able to post them legibly. Right now, all I have are pics of the dyno sheets, which don't show up at al when I try to post them. I have witnesses though!
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>>Randy

I've been studying everyone elses tests, they never match. Maybe it's your thinner air in Denver that enhances(or takes from) the product?

But I look forward to seeing actual results posted, will you do this on your site, or here?
Then they should be matched with regions, I know climate plays a large part in results, North east vs Rockies or SoCal vs Florida etc.

 

Although the Pilo Racing system is inexpensive, it is in no way Lacking. It is made totally out of Stainless Steel, and Fit's perfect (been told better then the maddness) with an extra botl to hold it in place. The Green Filter is a filter used alot in the Rally Races, so I know that it can stand up to the harshesy dust and keep on filtering. If you have any other Questions, please contact me and I can help you out.

And as Randy said, Got 6-7 HP on the Dyno.

Thanks
Dan
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Mighty, you are totally off on this one.
Have you ever gone for a drive, and then immediately opened your bonnet and felt inside the heat shield of your cold-air intake? I thought not, because if you had, you would notice that the air inside the heat shield is dramatically cooler than the rest of the engine compartment.

My butt-dyno can feel a tangible difference with multiple brands of intake, as well as viewing in-person Randy's countless piles of Dyno pull graphs giving concrete proof that intakes are effective, as well as a good HP value.

 

It's just not a justifiable expense for HP in my opinion.

 

I'd like to chime in here if I may. I am a fan of the BMP for a few reasons.

1) Looks. This is the best looking system on the market.
2) With the Randy airbox mod you get the cooler air to the filter.
3) With the Cowl Scoops from another MCO vendor the amount of air into the filter is more than tripled from the stock openings.
4) And the numbers are equal to the Alta with these mods.

Cannot wait for the winter to come so we can go faster.

 

>>But, if you want something fancy to look at when you pop open the bonnet, buy something shiny

Thats why I bought the moss intake...it was the cheapest and shinyest! :smile:

 

very interesting debate :smile:

i will wait to buy when randy posts the graphs :smile:

 

Randy that was great feedback just what I have been looking for. The last and final two mods I am doing is an intake and bigger brakes, much bigger brakes!

 

>>Mighty, you are totally off on this one.
>>Have you ever gone for a drive, and then immediately opened your bonnet and felt inside the heat shield of your cold-air intake? I thought not, because if you had, you would notice that the air inside the heat shield is dramatically cooler than the rest of the engine compartment.
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>>My butt-dyno can feel a tangible difference with multiple brands of intake, as well as viewing in-person Randy's countless piles of Dyno pull graphs giving concrete proof that intakes are effective, as well as a good HP value.


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I've given my testimony, and I've seen the dyno graphs, and Randy has offered his expertise. If you don't want to pay attention, We can't offer anything more.

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We?

 

>>We?

Dude, get over yourself. We all require attention in one way or another, but you're just taking it a little too far.

 

Calm down Sir.

It's been my opinion all along...

Take off hoser!

 

So you resort to name calling? With as many post as you have, I would think you have more knowledge on such issues. Com'n, we all respect Randy for his work due to his extensive knowledge and testing of products. If he says something is worth it, I'd listen. As for you, I think you're being stubborn to get attention and to prove a point that you don't conform - conforming would be a good thing in this case. And you say that an intake is not a justifiable expense for that amount of hp. What is justifiable then? You're gettting around 7-9 hp for as little as 200 dollars. Aside from a pulley mod, I don't know what else would be "justifiable." GET OVER YOURSELF! Sure you could retort with more name calling, but that would just prove how insecure you are.

 

Poo Poo Poo, please, it was not name calling.

Now, you are irrational... I never dissed Randy. He has put a lot of time money and effort to bring these results out to us. I respect that enormously, and I hope he knows that. I am offering my opinion. Intakes are way too pricey in this market. The manufacturers have caught the niche, prices will drop.

Until then...

It's not even worth me arguing with you about.

Enjoy your evening.

 

Okay, truce. Cheers! :smile:

 

Dan does the Pilo system w/green filter pull air in from the front like the alta? H.P. figuires are looking good!!! :smile: