I saw this advertised in MC2 with claims that it will improve exceleration. Anybody know anything about this?

 

this thread should have all the info you need...

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...&highlight=VIP

 

The TSW Damper will do the same, http://www.autoxcooper.com/tsw_engine_damper.html

 

perhaps, except fit perfectly and dampen engine movement without adding significant NVH. I went through three TSW dampers on two cars and ditched them. My wife hated it so much she insisted I take it off her car.

While I appreciate you're running a business, do you really feel the need to push your products in EVERY thread NOT about your products? Seriously....this thread is about a VIP damper.

 

This happens in almost every thread but what's the big deal? There is freedom of expression here in the forum. Auto X is just saying that there are other options out there that the OP may not know. He is not ridiculing or badmouthing. Let us not forget that these sponsors keep this NAM going. Let's all get along. Peace.

 

it's bad form and twice today he's done it. seriously...if it was 'what damper should I buy', go for it. Not to mention the TSW is NOT the same design nor the same in effective results.

 

Back to the question: It does seem to hook power better with the VIP in my experience. NHV are minimal just like PGT said. I like this product and it is well made. The hardwares are sturdy and overkill.

 

It will also probably prolong the service life of your engine mount.

 

Please allow me to address this one statement and I'll stay off this thread.

PGT's opinion is respected on NAM. His experience with the TSW Damper is not the norm. I have countless customer running the TSW system and TSW as many more that don't have the issues that PGT did. Plus TSW released a new updated damper to address the issues that PGT had, because PGT provides great feedback on products. That new damper can be ordered by current owners of the old system to upgrade since it works with the same hardware. NVH is very subjective, some feel it less then others. Like most mods there's a trade off for performance.

 

except with the VIP, where there is no trade off.

actually, my experience with the TSW was quite the norm...even those members I sold mine to removed them citing the same issues. TSW even was kind enough to send me a replacement thinking it was set incorrectly. There's a reason they revamped to a v2. I'd be happy to borrow one and review it to compare to see if v2 solved the issues.

Honestly, the position of both the VIP and the TSW are not optimal based on the pivot points of the motor. I have a video showing engine movement of mine with the VIP and lower engine bushings in place, if I could only figure out how to convert mp4 to something photobucket can store.

 

Had the LOTF damper and it failed... Now have the VIP and I'm very happy with it. Simple dog bone design, fits perfect, looks like it could be OEM. Claims that any engine damper is going to improve acceleration are based on less engine movement allowing the power to be applied quicker. Best thing about a damper is the smoother shift and reduced slop from the engine moving back and forth. Like PGT I say buy it! 2 cents. PS: you do have to drill two holes but the whole thing is very straight forward and fits perfect.

 

you only need to drill on '05/'06. earlier cars and direct bolt on. no '02 support however.

 

I have the first gen TSW damper I got from a friend. That thing rattles like a baby toy. I tried many times to adjust it with no luck. I think I will either take it off and use something else or try to just get the new TSW damper. I am not very happy with it so far.

 

Cut out some thin rubber gasket material and put it between the plate and shock tower and got zero NHV. Don't know if I would have without it or not but just made sense to me to put it there.

 

it's not the brackets that are the issue but the damper itself. trust me, I spent hours playing around, unbolting one thing at a time trying to isolate the rattle. I added o-rings in between washers even, all to no avail.

 

This was the VIP engine damper.

 

oh, ok. yeah....can't hurt, but the design of the bracket is such I doubt it made much of a difference.

 

Your probably right but anytime you mount metal to metal there is a chance of creating harmonics so just thought it should be isolated.

 

I have the VIP stabilizer, and the thing is way over-engineered. It will withstand a nuclear bomb!

It does just what VIP states it will do; stiffen up the engine, without any increase in NVH.

Will you notice a decrease in your 0-60 or quarter mile times? I am inclined to say no. If it really does help in your car's accelerating, the effect is quite minimal, in my humble opinion.

But for $99, It was a great addition to my engine bay. Since my car is an '04, installation was ultra-easy. No drilling required: pure bolt-on to existing mounting points.

Nice job, VIP.

 

Excellent product. Very happy with mine. The only time I notice NVH, or any "sounds" is when I have a drink in the cup holder and hear it vibrating.. which may happen without the VIP...

 

Thumbs up on the VIP dampner. Definte reduction in engine movement and it's gotta save the engine mount. Car is more responsive when hitting the throttle. Good product and easy install.

 

same here....ive rebuilt my FIRST one 3-4 times and they finally replaced it with a new one and it still feels the same. The fact they CHANGED what damper they use is funny b/c they should of replaced everyone who was having problems with the different style if that fixed the problem.

Im drilling my tower when i get home to install my PGT supplied VIP damper.

 

+ 1

IMO opinion those dampers should be refered to as NVH generators. I could only stand my TSW damper for a week. Save your money for something that will actually benefit your car. They do look way cool though.

 

Just to weigh in on the conversation to defend our product and the design revisions:

Obviously, products go through design lifecycles and get better with feedback - it's the reason the brackets have changed over the years, as well as the actual dampers themselves... The original supplier of the dampers held us hostage, so we designed our own - even those have changed between the first design and the latest design. We're constantly focused on making things better. All of them work, however, regardless of the generation. Put your car on the dyno, do a pull and watch the motor, install the damper and do the same again...

For the record, there have been very, very few returns for NVH in comparison to the number sold - less than 0.5%. There have also been very few failures over the years, and since we stand behind our products, we always make it right, period.

 

I can appreciate that you defend your product but you don't need to. Why? Because it's beautifully designed and manufactured . That's why I have one!

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