I am beginning to seriously contemplate (ie fixin' to get ready) to dump some serious horsepower into my MCS to truly make it an Ubercooper. Seems that intake, exhaust , pulley and Nitrous is the trick. People have been running n20 for some time now, how is it going? I know in the bad old days it was hell on rings and such, any problems? Best system? Obviously if randy brings his out, it is first on my list; but what is the benchmark?

Thanks.
BC

 

Hi Uber cooper...

If you followed this board you would know that M7 with Venom is releasing a system shortly, we are currently
addapting the system to the Mini MC and MCS. this system is fully competerized making it very safe with no possibility
of blowing up your engine due to over reving, lean conditions or accidental activaton of the system.
Venom is the benchmark N2o system on the market with thousands of systems sold every year and a dealer network
world wide always available to take care of problems. The other thing to consider would of course be if something would
go wrong with your system at the track a Venom representative/sales person or onother Venom user would be available
for technical questios. Venom was also chosen by Autobacs (500 stores world wide) as their N2O system of choice.
Check this dyno chart out!!!!

http://www.venom-performance.com/nf/...yno/02mini.htm

The car is soooo fasst


peter horvath..........M7
562-712-3270

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M7,

Can you find out what's going on with those Dyno numbers? The torque values don't make any sense. Stock MCS has 163hp and 155 torque at the flywheel. I've never seen torque in an MCS higher than the HP even on highly modified car. I can't see 225hp creating 471 lbs of torque. See torque formula below:

Torque = HP X 5250/RPM

225hp X 5250/7000 = 168 lbs of Torque

You would have to be producing 225hp at 2500 rpm to produce 471 in torque
or about 650hp at 7000 RPM to produce 471 lbs of torque.

The bump in the graph at 40mph shows something went wrong. I like the Venom system so I don't want there reputation ruined by a bad dyno run.

 

That N20 is in Drag mode.

If it was a "bad dyno run" do you Really think Venom would post it on their website?

that's POWER blowing past the top of your head.

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>>That Dyno is in Drag mode.
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>>If it was a "bad dyno run" do you Really think Venom would post it on their website?
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>>that's POWER blowing past the top of your head.

So, educate me.... in Drag mode the formula is:

(HP X 5250/RPM)X 3?

I thought torque was torque is torque? Why hasen't the Automotive industry caught on to that and posted those torque values? Seems they would much rather post stock MCS as 262 instead of 155 torque. I also don't automatically believe everything that's posted on a Manufacturer's web site!

 

That N2O is set in Drag mode.
At 40 the servo opened the nitrous flow.... that is why it shoots straight up.




Learn more about N2O




I spoke to Peter about this, this dyno is correct.
Venom does this all day every day, on street cars and race cars. It's how N2O works.
Again, the DYNO's are correct.

 

>>> I also don't automatically believe everything that's posted on a Manufacturer's web site!

Venom is an industry leader and posting a false chart could do more harm than good. the chart is true. The Venom was injected and did what it's supposed to do.

 

super mini u are correct sir :smile:

taht torque figure needs to be divided by 2

thus making it a bit more reasonable 235.5 :smile:

 

MightyMiniz,

I know how N2O works, but that doesn't explain the Torque values on the Stock MCS used as a baseline for the Dyno Run. No N2O was used on that and the torque shows 262 when it is only about 155. Or am I reading the graph wrong? I assumed that the baseline is an MCS without N2O and the higher run was with the same car at 30% N2O.... Correct? Or what then are they using/doing for a Base run?

 

>>super mini u are correct sir :smile:
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>>taht torque figure needs to be divided by 2
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>>thus making it a bit more reasonable 235.5 :smile:

BINGO!

The dyno they are using measures torque a bit differently than other dynos, thus necessitating you divide the figure by two....or they have one hell of a ringer pumping out 262 stock lb ft of tq. 131, the number divided by two, is right on the money though, thereby validifing my theory on the numbers.

R

 

davbret

are you actually saying, that waht i posted is correct, and not some jargon? :smile:

 

HAHAH Ryan, peeing his pants......over the barbie car.

i think that's related to the post about you being a girl


It's all good!

 

That charts needs to be pulled.

It would be cool for the mini to make for tq than a 346 CI Trans Am with nitrous, but its not a bet I would take. Check the same website and drop down some of the other nitrous runs. It really is somewhat silly to post like that, the stock getrag would go boom with 400+ ft-lbs of tq.

 

>>The dyno they are using measures torque a bit differently >>

Ahh, they got the new dyno's with the "What torque do you want" dial on it?

Seriously, MightyMiniz has done a good job of telling me to just believe what I see but I wish someone would explain how they are getting those torque values. I think alot of people look at a dyno chart and say: "Look that lines higher than the other one, that's good". I know more than that but apparently not how to read a Drag Mode Dyno run? What's the deal?

 

Wow! That's one bogus chart! The guy who faked that didn't know power from pottery.

I'm sure the car is fast and all but Super_MINI is correct in that the fake dyno chart is absurd. B.T.W. guys, torque and horsepower are the same thing. Horsepower is simply the torque figure with RPM factored in. It's not possible to have 470ft-lb at 200hp and 50mph unless the transmission has been modified with a gear *way* higher than 6th.

Dyno charts involve many correction factors and other potential error sources so the flawed chart is not surprising. It is very dissapointing however, that people who sell these products aren't familiar enough with the concept of horsepower to spot this obvious error.

 

>>HAHAH Ryan, peeing his pants......over the barbie car.
>>
>>i think that's related to the post about you being a girl
>>
>>
>>It's all good!

 

>>I'm sure the car is fast and all but Super_MINI is correct in that the fake dyno chart is absurd. B.T.W. guys, torque and horsepower are the same thing. Horsepower is simply the torque figure with RPM factored in. It's not possible to have 470ft-lb at 200hp and 50mph



Hmmm I agree with you guys and not to get too off topic, but this would be possible with a modded Mini d, would it not?! :smile:

 

Horsepower is based on RPM which is directly tied to vehicle speed by the transmission. To have 470ft-lb at 200hp would require the engine to run at 2235 RPM. Now that I do the numbers, I see that 50Mph at 2235 RPM may indeed be possible with a stock transmission, but the chart is still just as wrong.

 

I've never seen a chart before with a shot of nitrous thown in. But it looks like what I would have expected with a sharp ramp from where the nitrous kicked in. I just have to ignore the torque numbers and all is well. I'm wondering if down the road, nitrous might be a fun addition to my MCS. I guess I'd have to drive one to find out. First on my list of mods is Alta Intake and Alta Pulley... From there, who knows...

Happy Motoring!
Dominic

 

Hey Dominic, you are correct...
You are reading the chart right.

And If you want to drive a MCS or MC with the N20, let me know, I might be able to hook that up for ya!

Ryan- Slow down , I love the M's I almost got an M Coupe myself... It was THE RIGHT ONE but it was the cooper that called. It was the Ultimate MCoupe Motor too, I believe the 2001's were tauted as being the Ultimate M motor It was SO SWEET
M Red with Red n Black interior, Red Piping All the Bells and Whistles.... WOOO WOOO!

Even my fiance Wanted it...

Hahahahahha

We contemplated buying one after a year owning the cooper, but she fell in love with the PR5, which I would say is a GREAT car. and we needed something with a little more room so it fit the bill.

I'm going to buy an M emblem for Ryan's car.

 

>>Venom was also chosen by Autobacs (500 stores world wide) as their N2O system of choice.

If Autobacs chose them then they must be good. I heard there was a super autobacs that opened somewhere in orange county, anyone know where it is?

 

>>And If you want to drive a MCS or MC with the N20, let me know, I might be able to hook that up for ya!

Let's shoot for doing it at the Vegas event in Feb. Sound good? By then I'll have the pulley and intake done. And maybe the ECU too.

Hey, I almost forgot to ask! Is there any ECU changes necessary for nitrous?

 

So what do you have to say now mightyMiniz? Are you still going to ride the M7 train and tell everyone how amazing this stuff is? 3-4 posts saying the chart is right, look at the reputation, and now you are wrong.

It's too bad this place is infested with @$$ kissers. If you can look past most of the BS people write and just look at the product for what it is and do your own research, you'll find out a lot more, of the truth.

 

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>>I'm going to buy an M emblem for Ryan's car.



and i would proudly display it doug

 

Whoa TomM! Mighty just had a strong faith in a company that has served him well, that's all.