Has anyone used one of these yet? And if so what did you think of it?
see: BMW then Mini Cooper S
http://www.phantomgrip.com

 

Hey Nitrominis,

I've got a PG kit on my parts shelf. I'll be installing it in my stock open diff soon and putting it up for sale most likely. I think it has the standard green street springs.

A few guys here have used them and abused them.

Jeremy

 

Your going to get:

I know a guy who told me that a friend knows a guy who's brother had one break on him. It's the same thing as the OBX diff .

Longboard

 

My understanding was that the PG was a clutched diff vs the OBX being a geared one? I know stock is clutched... That's how I think it was explained at least... lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited...tial#Mechanism

 

The Phantom Grip is not a clutch-type diff. It's actually not really a limited slip differential, but rather parts that make your original differential offer some level of slip reduction. By placing the sun gears under certain load, they can behave like a geared/torsen/quaife differential although they will not have the same amount of available torque bias. VW has been using this principle in a number of gearboxes, both new and old, and it is known as the "mini slip" and provides up to about 20% torque bias.

I think I'd rather go OBX as it is a pretty solid quaife replica and still requires the same level of committment/labor.

 

That about sums it up Billzcat1.

Jeremy

 

lets see what a search yielded (using "phantom"). here are a few.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...hlight=phantom

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...hlight=phantom

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...hlight=phantom

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...hlight=phantom

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...hlight=phantom

 

By "same thing as the OBX" I mean from a reliability standpoint.

I know the differences between the diffs .

Longboard

 

I see, I'm just confusing things then, because when Danny pulled out his diff I guess I thought it was a whole diff. No wonder I was lost on the PG site with pictures of plates and springs.

Haha, yea, I dunno about the reliability, only time will tell. Danny has the OBX now.

 

I have one if you wanna it for a good price?

 

This came to my E-mail from Phantom grip: After reading some of the responses here I contacted them to see what there answer was. Hope this haps a little.


Re: Question for Phantom Grip Date: 5/19/2008 5:48:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From: sales@phantomgrip.com

Nuzzo ran our units in the team cars. As for replacing them often that
is incorrect. The Phantom grip unit will out last most cars. Also the
Phantom Grip is not louder than the Quaife at all. Changing oil based
Shavings would not be from the Phantom Grip, This is generally confused
with syncro shaving.
We have sold hundreds of units for the mini all with great results. The
race and street version is only a spring kit change, The disc plates are
the same. In fact Nuzzo ran a street version in one of the cars
because it fit the drivers driving style better. Our kits are completely
tuneable for best results. I hope this has helped.

Thank you,
Phantom Grip

 

Interesting and also strange. I've been running the PG since 2003 and it was Nuzzo who sold me on the PG. Couple question I ask Nuzzo was about shavings and durability. On the shaving he told all you need to do was to change the oil a little sooner than normal about at the 2/3rds mark of normal. also for Durability not quite mid way on the first season he had to change the PG twice and was on the 2nd Gen version. Once for the Springs and 2nd time since it wore out and was groved (he showed me that one). Which to PG defense he advise that of course there putting them through more torture than would be on the street. Since Nuzzo Like them and didn't try and sell me on them. which he was honest when he spoke about them without hiding anything. I bought it, Installed it (street version) and has loved it ever since.