my goal of 300fwhp without twin-charging or any extreme modifications to the motor is rapidly approaching! thanks to everyone over the years for their help, namely Peter at M7 Tuning and my sponsors, Sniper Tuning and JESTR Tuning.... I wanted to share a few thoughts about my progress to see what my fellow MINI owners thought, so sit back and enjoy!

I guess the first place to start is my MODS LIST, so check that out for starters. I first had the car tuned by P1 Auto in Charlotte, NC in 2004 just before MINIS on the Dragon, and produced the following raw numbers, corrected numbers following them:

200.445fwhp / 187.795fwtq / 19.317psi high boost - RAW
174.3fwhp / 163.3fwtq / 19.317psi high boost - Corrected

When I say raw vs. corrected, I mean the numbers a Mustang dyno emits on the screen immediately after a pass vs. the numbers found on the trace chart that follows, correcting it for real-world applications. The raw numbers are great to see, but real-world means more to me then anything. I've been displaying the raw numbers on my signature for quite some time, I'll be displaying corrected, real-world numbers from now on!

After tuning the car today at Sniper Tuning in Sanford, Florida, we were amazed with the results. I was almost about to have them re-calibrate the Mustang dyno for me while I was on it because of how high the end result was! You'll see below the reference to nitrous and note that I am NOT running nitrous through the intake, just a DEI Cry-O2 intercooler sprayer as listed on my mods list. I have to run N2O instead of CO2 because of the open intake, thanks to my M7 AGS. Have a look at the charts as I explain them

CHART ONE - This run consisted of running no nitrous through the intercooler sprayer. Very reliable, safe tune running an AFR in the high 10's at the start (2K RPMs) and finishing in the mid 9's at the end (7K RPMs).

CHART TWO - Spraying the N2O for the first few seconds of this run lead to a huge spike in torque; a similar run as described better below produced 233 ft lbs of torque doing the same thing!

CHART THREE - Our end result for the day, and though the car was sometimes unreliable, it produced the highest numbers. The car had a bad idle, constantly revving from 500-900RPM, and timing during the run wasn't established as we had previously set it. This ECU image came from the developer of the software used to pull an incredible amount of data from my ECU image with hundreds more settings available then any MINI ECU tuner on the market today. So we couldn't trust this image to drive the car home from the dyno without combining data as explained further below, and was flashed back to the first chart seen above.

End result (corrected HP numbers):
249fwhp / 247fwtq / ~15psi high boost

The result of these numbers today is not yet our finished, polished, completed product. The data pulled from my stock ECU image lead us to a group of settings determining torque limitations, and once removed, the car became a torque MONSTER - at one point, pulling 233ft lbs of torque with only 189hp, unheard of with a car with just the work done to my car! John Estrada, the infamous name behind JESTR Tuning, know the world over in the EVO and DSM community, still has much more work to do to my image to essentially merge the reliability of the first chart with the power of the third chart. Once he comes through with that image, I am certain the car will put down higher numbers. And all this in 85 degree weather at 100 ft above sea level here just north of Orlando, FL! Imagine what this car would do running the boost it did in North Carolina!!!

The ECU has also been reprogrammed for no-lift throttle shifting and launch control. Still playing around with both settings on the car, but the no-lift throttle means I keep my foot planted on the drive-by-wire throttle, press in the clutch to shift, ECU senses clutch pedal depression and cuts throttle, and re-engages throttle when the clutch is released in the next gear. The next best thing to paddle shifting / SMG! Launch control keeps my car at a pre-initiated RPM when stopped and clutch depressed. Lowering it from a tire-smoking 4500RPM to 3000RPM meant I bog a bit before taking off, so we have to raise it to a maximum of 4000RPM I believe. These two programs are done without the use of any external components, JUST ECU TUNING!!!!

and just for good measure....

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Did you want to post this in the NON-S forum???

 

whoops, good call, anyone care to move this for me as i doubt there are many non-S MINIs with 300fwhp!

 

Moved.

Mark

 

You may want to give Jan a call at RMW (Revolution MINI Works). I believe his current record for HP on the stock M45 blower with no NOS or increase in displacement is 269 fwhp. Spraying NOS that car would be well over 300 fwhp .

 

what ECU program are you using? I second rustyboy's comments....many of us are in that range with RMW stuff, no NAWS.

 

I'm quite pleased with my tuner right now, thanks! I'm not going for any record, I think the people on here with "World's Quickest ________ MINI" titles are a bit ridiculous at the very least, and I've not once done anything to this car for fame, recognition, or some silly title.

Please note again that I am NOT SPRAYING NITROUS INTO THE MOTOR, I am sponsored by DEI for the CryO2 kit that is only an intercooler sprayer. Nitrous in this case should be considered just the same as carbon dioxide (CO2) as it is only being used as a cooling agent and nothing more. We examined the ability for nitrous to be injested by the intake, possibly leading to these outstanding numbers, and though it is quite possible for it to happen, it isn't the case - the simple cooling effect of the kit accounts for around a 10-15% increase in power on all ECU images ran on the dyno.

The ECU program is coded by JESTR Tuning and Sniper Tuning. Google them as I'm not going to ruin this thread with banter about posting links for competitors. Please see above for the reference to the use of nitrous.

 

RMW sells parts too....ones that add power, even with your tuner


don't go get all defensive. your post comes off like a solicitation and advertisement. Simple Q about what you're using since you claim it's better than ________ . If there's something (possibly) better out there, some of the more enlightened hardcore modders (like me and rustyboy) want to read up, that's all.

 

Well, considering you're putting out about 50 lb-ft of torque more than anything ever dynoed that has the stock blower and isn't using nos, SOMETHING is happening. The torque limitation in the ECU is for the traction control.

There isn't any listing in the ECU that "Limits torque" slap a twincharge on your car and out of the box (Stock software) you'll be making 290 lb-ft of torque. If there was some limitation (First off how on earth is your car measuring the torque the engine is making ) then how does that work?

Some of us here have spent what you've spent on all the other stuff for your car (Sprayers, underglow, wheels, paint, etc) on engine parts alone, so if there's some "Easy" way to pull 50 lb-ft of torque out of my ***, I'd love to know about it .

 

Reading through your mod list (Are turn signal bulbs really mods? ) you don't really have anything done to the car to add that kind of power. You've got an intake, exhaust, pulley, a coilpack (?) and 200 different gauges, lights, and pieces of audio equipment. To make 250 whp (On a mustang of all things) without a head is UNHEARD of. The torque figures you're putting down are also 40-50 lb-ft higher than any other 1.6 with the M45.

Full blown turbo cars putting down 600-700 whp aren't making more torque than HP, i've NEVER seen a dyno that shows the car making more torque than HP, so I'm not sure how you're pulling that off.

FYI also 15 lbs of boost on the stock head with a 19% is pretty low. That means with a ported head you'd be at 13 or so (I put down 14.5 with a 15% pulley). I'm a little confused with the figures you posted because some of the data suggests close to 20 psi of boost, while other data is at 15.

Something is either seriously wrong with their dyno, or you've stumbled on the tune of the century .

 

I did not know m7 had 6 pot ti/ceramic brakes

No offense, but I am going to sit back and

 

Chill with the popcorn Chris, first in the Quaife thread and now here? Leave some for the rest of us!

 

Ok, I've never done this before, but you guys are brutal.....

Not saying that your not right in asking when you have done other mods that he doesn't have(yes, I read the list).

Cool looking car though...reminds me of mine with the black wheels...I'm just short on HP with only 117whp. But you also got me out weighed by at least 800lbs with all that stuff in it, so I think I could take ya

 

and you dont think that the same way CO2 would effect a fall on yer face... that the NOS effected a boost in HP?

wait dont answer that.. .cause I have the answer for you... I have dynoed a 15% pulley car, with CAI intake, exhaust and sprayed the IC with NOS... it made 300 WHP! ...isnt that veeeerrd?! Let me see if I can find that dyno sheet....

I have also made over 50WHP with just freezing the IC... but while that's fun, it's not "realistic"

Well if you weren't looking for recognition or some silly title, then why did you post this truck load of jokes?

As for people having said titles, when you beat someone's record.. let alone SET the record, you will gladly post it and wear that badge proud. Obviously you haven't ever aimed to be something great, let alone achieved it. Cause when you do. You will gladly tell people about it.

I am so tired of people knocking the hard work and the records that people achieve.

That's right not everyone can do it. Not everyone achieves greatness.

This post is a class A example of why so many think that achieving great things is a joke. What did the car make with out the hoopla?

This post is a prime example of why people in the MINI community thing #s don't matter.

 

I'm sorry, I'm sorry...it is the best thing since sliced bread!

Now, back to the gluttony...:po pcorn:

 

^Well, I guess I broke it, the #5 bag is not working

 

taaadaaaaaaa

 

That car has a head and cam? + he makes 4 more lb-ft of torque .

 

I stand corrected.... but the car WITH OUT spraying the NOS on the IC only made 225 WHP

It's hard for me to keep track of all this stuff since it was like THREE years ago!

 

this thread makes me have a time warp on what has already been done A LOT

 

Sounds about in line with a car that has a Pulley, Intake, Exhaust, Tune, Head, and Cam . Maybe a little on the low side, but that's likely because it's Pre-Jesus Head.

 

Wait you dont have the plasma booster?
Sorry but I had to. His mod list looks like a catalog for mossmini.'


Jack

 

Look at those afr's! 16 at 4500 rpm??? Scary.... isn't that the spillman car? He did this...

 

or J.C. Whitney.

 

reminds me of a saying about kettles and pots, i'm not sure exactly how it goes, can you enlighten me on that too?

you guys are funny, I sometimes question why I stopped selling performance parts and working with MINI owners but I just remembered why!

It was a simple post, really, about something that occurred today on the dyno involving a decently modified car, an owner with about 10 years spent modifying cars, a tuner with about 15 years experience, and a shop that loves to make big power. Unfortunately, the free-for-all just doesn't end on this forum, and as soon as someone posts Thing A, everyone is ready to pounce on it and call BS.

We ran the car about 3 times with the ECU image portrayed in CHART THREE. All 3 times, it yielded similar results with the one posted being the highest. I am just as confused about the results as you are, actually more so with my 189HP and 233ft lbs of torque run I made because I have yet to hear of an MCS making those kind of numbers. We went back and forth for nearly 5 hours today trying to figure out how that fluke happened, but you don't see me expounding upon it because I chalked it up as just that - a fluke run. Maybe the dyno didn't pick up the rest of the HP on the run off at the end of the test as JESTR said might have been a possibility. Either way, the results we ran in CHART THREE were confirmed and consistent. If you don't know about the torque limiting settings in the ECU that's because you haven't found it - it took getting software from Italy and data cables from Turkey to get a 512kb image from the ECU whereas we were only pulling 32kb with the previous software.

I don't mind if you think I'm full of hot air, really. I wasn't posting this in hopes any of you would stand up and applaud, I wanted to hear your thoughts on the subject. I hear them loud and clear - the haters still hating on "underglow and paint and wheels and stereo system and turn signal bulbs" instead of why I actually posted this thread. I still have a lot of work to do and was interested in hearing from people like PGT who had enough respect to try and point me in the right direction via PM, not "look cool in front of their boys" talking about popcorn and bashing others. Build your car for yourself and I'll do the same for my car, respect goes a lot farther when you aren't doing something to fit in but instead stand out.