Drivetrain Tyrolsport Caliper Stiffener install....>
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Tyrolsport Caliper Stiffener install....>
The issue: Mini brakes, being a single piston design, require that the Caliper assembly be able to slide side to side to self center when the brakes are applied. The slainless steel slider pins run through rubber (yes rubber!) bushings to accomodate this movement. Needless to say, Rubber is far more flexible than brass or other metals, so the calipers have some Damped movement when brakes are applied. Clamping forces will be slightly unequal, with a bit of Mush in the original design.
here they are:
![](http://images31.fotki.com/v1083/photos/7/7305/6041500/IMG_0645-vi.jpg)
Tyrolsport has designed a set of precision machined Brass sleeves which replace the rubber bushings in the caliper:
![](http://images35.fotki.com/v1154/photos/7/7305/6041500/IMG_0646-vi.jpg)
Install is a breeze...Sinply push out the rubber bushes, slide in the brass parts and use the Provided Circlips to retain them in the caliper body:
![](http://images34.fotki.com/v1148/photos/7/7305/6041500/IMG_0648-vi.jpg)
Lube up the new sliders with the provided grease:
![](http://images34.fotki.com/v1150/photos/7/7305/6041500/IMG_0649-vi.jpg)
and re-mount your calipers using the new pins:
![](http://images35.fotki.com/v1131/photos/7/7305/6041500/IMG_0651-vi.jpg)
Others have commented on improvement so I won't go into great detail, but suffice it to say, removing rubber and potential flex results in better feel. The side benefit includes more even pad and rotor wear and less potential for squealing. For those retaining the stock brakes and doing any upgrades to pads and or rotors (or not), this is really a Must do. Combine with stainless lines and you can improve the feel of the stock brakes nicely for not a lot of money ($79).
here they are:
![](http://images31.fotki.com/v1083/photos/7/7305/6041500/IMG_0645-vi.jpg)
Tyrolsport has designed a set of precision machined Brass sleeves which replace the rubber bushings in the caliper:
![](http://images35.fotki.com/v1154/photos/7/7305/6041500/IMG_0646-vi.jpg)
Install is a breeze...Sinply push out the rubber bushes, slide in the brass parts and use the Provided Circlips to retain them in the caliper body:
![](http://images34.fotki.com/v1148/photos/7/7305/6041500/IMG_0648-vi.jpg)
Lube up the new sliders with the provided grease:
![](http://images34.fotki.com/v1150/photos/7/7305/6041500/IMG_0649-vi.jpg)
and re-mount your calipers using the new pins:
![](http://images35.fotki.com/v1131/photos/7/7305/6041500/IMG_0651-vi.jpg)
Others have commented on improvement so I won't go into great detail, but suffice it to say, removing rubber and potential flex results in better feel. The side benefit includes more even pad and rotor wear and less potential for squealing. For those retaining the stock brakes and doing any upgrades to pads and or rotors (or not), this is really a Must do. Combine with stainless lines and you can improve the feel of the stock brakes nicely for not a lot of money ($79).
Last edited by Modshack; 03-22-2008 at 01:58 PM.
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They are a great item to add to the MINI. We add them to some of our Stage brake kits.
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They have...
but it's not a big deal that another has added to the collective wisdom of the masses....
For what it's worth, I've had them in for about 70k miles and really like them.... While they don't freeze if you don't lube them, they will cake up a bit from dirt in the grease that you did use the first time you installed them
Matt
ps, your photos are better than the ones I took....
For what it's worth, I've had them in for about 70k miles and really like them.... While they don't freeze if you don't lube them, they will cake up a bit from dirt in the grease that you did use the first time you installed them
Matt
ps, your photos are better than the ones I took....
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I also don't see the point of this, seems to me the point of the rubber bushings is strictly noise isolation and the inherent flex allows the caliper to align to the pads and rotors better. In other words, there's a reason BMW built it like they did.......the only thing that could cause mushiness in the pedal is air.........if the pistons are being knocked back further because of the flex in the rubber, the only difference would be slightly longer pedal travel, not mushiness. Lastly, these are not precision fit parts (I helped install a set on a friends MCS recently) so there's a certain amount of flex in them as well, but I'll admit it's less than in the rubber. Downside, another maintenance chore to add to the list.......
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I also don't see the point of this, seems to me the point of the rubber bushings is strictly noise isolation and the inherent flex allows the caliper to align to the pads and rotors better. In other words, there's a reason BMW built it like they did.......the only thing that could cause mushiness in the pedal is air.........if the pistons are being knocked back further because of the flex in the rubber, the only difference would be slightly longer pedal travel, not mushiness. Lastly, these are not precision fit parts (I helped install a set on a friends MCS recently) so there's a certain amount of flex in them as well, but I'll admit it's less than in the rubber. Downside, another maintenance chore to add to the list.......
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I also don't see the point of this, seems to me the point of the rubber bushings is strictly noise isolation and the inherent flex allows the caliper to align to the pads and rotors better. In other words, there's a reason BMW built it like they did.......the only thing that could cause mushiness in the pedal is air.........if the pistons are being knocked back further because of the flex in the rubber, the only difference would be slightly longer pedal travel, not mushiness. Lastly, these are not precision fit parts (I helped install a set on a friends MCS recently) so there's a certain amount of flex in them as well, but I'll admit it's less than in the rubber. Downside, another maintenance chore to add to the list.......
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I also don't see the point of this, seems to me the point of the rubber bushings is strictly noise isolation and the inherent flex allows the caliper to align to the pads and rotors better. In other words, there's a reason BMW built it like they did.......the only thing that could cause mushiness in the pedal is air.........if the pistons are being knocked back further because of the flex in the rubber, the only difference would be slightly longer pedal travel, not mushiness. Lastly, these are not precision fit parts (I helped install a set on a friends MCS recently) so there's a certain amount of flex in them as well, but I'll admit it's less than in the rubber. Downside, another maintenance chore to add to the list.......
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translated: "i don't see why i would want to do this since MY calculations are different from the OP and it seems that I've never felt a mushy pedal nor have i really driven my car to the point of feeling the mush and to top it all off I'm too lazy to undo a few pins and grease them while my wheels are off."
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Mine are almost .25" too long for the caliper...
This means the brass bushing moves in the caliper instead of the bushing & caliper (together) sliding on the stainless steel bolt.
Either Mini has a huge variation in caliper desigin or Tyrolsport doesn't know how to use a ruler.
It looks like Modshack's kit fits perfect- Anyone else have this problem???
This means the brass bushing moves in the caliper instead of the bushing & caliper (together) sliding on the stainless steel bolt.
Either Mini has a huge variation in caliper desigin or Tyrolsport doesn't know how to use a ruler.
It looks like Modshack's kit fits perfect- Anyone else have this problem???
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Mine are almost .25" too long for the caliper...
This means the brass bushing moves in the caliper instead of the bushing & caliper (together) sliding on the stainless steel bolt.
Either Mini has a huge variation in caliper desigin or Tyrolsport doesn't know how to use a ruler.
It looks like Modshack's kit fits perfect- Anyone else have this problem???
This means the brass bushing moves in the caliper instead of the bushing & caliper (together) sliding on the stainless steel bolt.
Either Mini has a huge variation in caliper desigin or Tyrolsport doesn't know how to use a ruler.
It looks like Modshack's kit fits perfect- Anyone else have this problem???
I'd get in touch with Tyrolsport..
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Mine are almost .25" too long for the caliper...
This means the brass bushing moves in the caliper instead of the bushing & caliper (together) sliding on the stainless steel bolt.
Either Mini has a huge variation in caliper desigin or Tyrolsport doesn't know how to use a ruler.
It looks like Modshack's kit fits perfect- Anyone else have this problem???
This means the brass bushing moves in the caliper instead of the bushing & caliper (together) sliding on the stainless steel bolt.
Either Mini has a huge variation in caliper desigin or Tyrolsport doesn't know how to use a ruler.
It looks like Modshack's kit fits perfect- Anyone else have this problem???
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I also don't see the point of this, seems to me the point of the rubber bushings is strictly noise isolation and the inherent flex allows the caliper to align to the pads and rotors better. In other words, there's a reason BMW built it like they did.......the only thing that could cause mushiness in the pedal is air.........if the pistons are being knocked back further because of the flex in the rubber, the only difference would be slightly longer pedal travel, not mushiness. Lastly, these are not precision fit parts (I helped install a set on a friends MCS recently) so there's a certain amount of flex in them as well, but I'll admit it's less than in the rubber. Downside, another maintenance chore to add to the list.......
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if you stop a moving part that was designed to flex from flexing, it will just bind instead. I had these on my beetle, and they dirty up quick, and just bind. and no i couldnt feel a difference, but thats because i didnt pay for them. i'm sure if i had paid what tyrolsport wants, i wouldve felt a difference as well.
You can't take a quick canyon and mash your brakes 2-3 times and say you know what driving at the limit is like in your car. If you drive at the limit on the street, stay away from me
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