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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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Anyone use an Ntercooler on their MINI?

this is made by nx

http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Pages/Ntercooler.htm

my brother is huge on imports and has everything under the sun, on his turbo charged veedub he put that on and it made a difference i would only expect from nitrous
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 11:33 AM
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Is it just to cool the intercooler and reduce IAT? Cry02 does the same thing with C02 which is probably a lot less expensive than nitrous.

Here is the Cry02 system:

http://www.designengineering.com/pro...FSE-IgodF23X_A
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 12:01 PM
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i believe it just to cool the charged air, but i do remember in my brothers car, as the passenger, i could really feel it kicking in, not as noticeable as a 100 shot of nitrous or something, but it was there and it was strong,
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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This is an intercooler sprayer system. You can use either NOS or CO2. It has an oval tube that sprays the material onto the IC to reduce the temp fast. It doesn't last long, but it does work to some degree.

This is the same concept as the Cryo2 system.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 05:18 PM
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We played with this on a dyno once and it gave us about 20 hp. figured some was the cooling of the IC and some was the NOS getting sucked up in the intake.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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I got more like 50hp to the wheels shooting an open bottle over my intercooler. (dynojet)

Bought an NX setup used, then never messed with it and sold it.

Seemed like a lot of hassle for the street to me.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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cooling down charge air too much suddenly when outside temp is high can damage internal engine components.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 11:35 AM
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how so?
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jhud
cooling down charge air too much suddenly when outside temp is high can damage internal engine components.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 11:48 AM
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So my car should get another 50 HP during the winter, because it is cold outside?

I don't think so...
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 11:50 AM
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ummmmmmm...................

yes.

Cooler air is always going to be able to give more HP.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 11:52 AM
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it doesnt matter how cold it is outside, the supercharger heats up the air. if it is freezing outside though, the intercooler will work more effeciently
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by afinley
it doesnt matter how cold it is outside, the supercharger heats up the air. if it is freezing outside though, the intercooler will work more effeciently

Admit that your wrong and walk away knowing that you learned something new today!!! Its proven that colder ouside= more horsepower, especielly true and forced induction aps.

Jack
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by afinley
it doesnt matter how cold it is outside, the supercharger heats up the air. if it is freezing outside though, the intercooler will work more effeciently
And the colder you can get the IC, the colder the air is going into the engine. Colder air has more energy potential. Without an IC cooler (like the product the OP was asking about) the lowest temp the air coming out of the IC would be ambient, but by introducing a cooling agent to the IC you can get temps way down below ambient thereby adding much more potential power to the air/fuel in the engine.
 
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i think nitrous is a really expensive way to cool your intercooler... you can always use CO2 if you wanna go that route..

i think in another thread, they used lots of ice during a dyno and got like 10 whp or something... makes a difference for sure
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pillar
i think nitrous is a really expensive way to cool your intercooler... you can always use CO2 if you wanna go that route..

i think in another thread, they used lots of ice during a dyno and got like 10 whp or something... makes a difference for sure
The "Ice-man" that was a good thread.

Apparently a local " Tuner " was testing out some new hardware on a fully loaded car, big valve head , water to air, the works . The initial runs were in the low 220 range and was't really what they were looking for . Cubed ice , maybe $ 10 worth , was used to saturate the engine compartment , IC etc and let sit for a good period of time. The next run pulled just over 250 WHP netting a nice return on the investment . Now that is some auto ingenuity there
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NavyMini
this is made by nx

http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Pages/Ntercooler.htm

my brother is huge on imports and has everything under the sun, on his turbo charged veedub he put that on and it made a difference i would only expect from nitrous
IMHO, NX makes great stuff, but if you're going to go through the trouble of installing nitrous, you're going to get more bang for your buck by spraying the motor, not the intercooler.

Yes you can use CO2, but the problem is that the CO2 always finds a way into the intake sytem bogging the motor down thus negating the whole point of cooling the intercooler.

Plus the cost of refilling nitrous or CO2 adds up, my opinion is you would be better off finding a good water to air after-cooler.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sevin626
I got more like 50hp to the wheels shooting an open bottle over my intercooler. (dynojet)

Bought an NX setup used, then never messed with it and sold it.

Seemed like a lot of hassle for the street to me.
Again, it's important to not that some of this added HP was due to the Nitrous getting into the intake. This is what happens when you sprat nitrous over a motor. Your not going to get 50 hp by cooling the IC.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 12:54 AM
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the best way to cool the intake using N2O is to spray it into the intake! lol

to the original point, how long dose a 10lbs tnak of n2o lasts spraying the intercooler?? have you thought about water sprayers??

Chris.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 05:03 AM
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Water sprayers do little to nothing in my eperience. If anything they may regain a couple of HP.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by littlehandegan
Admit that your wrong and walk away knowing that you learned something new today!!! Its proven that colder ouside= more horsepower, especielly true and forced induction aps.

Jack
Wait, what? You mean the opposite of that last part, right?

I whipped up a handy calculator for Inlet Air Temp vs. SC Outlet Temp

http://www.gstockmini.com/resources/IAT.xls

It clearly shows that from 100deg/f a 10% increase in IAT equals a 5% increase in Outlet Temp, assuming 70% effeciency, which is unrealistic.
 

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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 04:58 PM
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Not sure what your point is...........

The cooler the air (IC) is, the less HP is robbed from the car by too high of temps going into the engine. You will still be able to get lower intake temps if the IC is colder, thus more HP from the denser charge.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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that's why my car is always so slow... Cause' i'm so damn HOT!?!
 
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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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...or maybe that's why my car is so fast... Cause' i'm so damn COOL!?
 
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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 06:07 PM
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