He don't know them very well do he...............!

 

Seriously, I would love to know where the info/statements came from.

 

 

HA HAhh...popcorn

at anyrate, Cradin Industries does some good stuff. If i get new headers or a new water-air intercooler, they will have coatings from those guys.

 

Where did I get all that from?

I ask alot of questions! and talk to alot of people. I did alot of research.

 

Yea.........I would love to see this front mount DFIC you keep talking about...............sheesh

 

As far as "front mount", I hope you understand that is in the same place just flipped up, of course not behind the front bumper or something. Here is a couple for now. Now that I have a place to share photos I can add more tomorrow as well.
I want to somehow attach a video of the cars acceleration so you can hear how fast my car winds up, even with those long 2002 gears.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/2069746...n/photostream/
http://flickr.com/photos/20697468@N0...n/photostream/

If you want, check out this pic with a giant bus and my mini.
http://flickr.com/photos/20697468@N0...n/photostream/

 

Nothing like playing with a persons words....

Ya'll know what the DFIC is and does...

But wow Clint, the way you expound about M7, sure does sound like you drank at the M7 fountain, ever think of writing ad copy?. If it works for you..good on ya

 

I chose them, you don't have to! I know there are alot of other companies out there that make good stuff too! Sorry if I made you want to throw up, I guess it did sound a little too much.. but and I think all there stuff kicks *** and works well together.. like if your looking for a complete company setup to follow as an alternative to Dinan, works, Alta and so on or just want a well made upgrade artifact... They helped me alot when my car was broken down and sent me a set of rocker arms they had when I lost a couple of the little yellow plastic rings that hold on the valve lashing caps when I was modding the head. Saved me some coin, cause you can't buy those caps, you must buy the whole set complete...The truth is, I just like their badge. Just kidding.

Also...It could be a story, but I recently heard that the three cars with the most horsepower at a tuning party in Atlanta all had M7 DFIC's and made over 230 wheel horsepower.

 

2 had them. the hp that was created had nothing to do with the dfic.

 

Very debateable.........DFIC has also shown to be a complete waste of money as the stock/GP intercooler actually works best.

 

I had the car in Atlanta with the DFIC 2 on it. I think mine is the second one only because of a shipping issue I am inpressed withe build quality and the lighter weight..... as far as pressure loss I was achieving 15 -15.5 so I don't see any.... I told Peter that I do not have the "tools" right now to do measurements so I am not going to post..... I think " a complete" watse of money is a bit strong..... when i did have a measurement device the DFIC 1 was by far the best at cooling of the 4 I tried..... all know that A2A ICs are impossible to dyno without a controlled environment.... and wind tunnel time is beyond my budget....

 

Hi Eric,

mine is actually the new version....FWIW

Bob

 

Yeah I took a good long hard look at it and compared it to the one that came off the car that Waylen loaned Jan for the day. The design of the v2 is far improved over the original. I'm still not entirely sold on the flow through design. With my piddly little car experience (which has absolutely no engineering training) I'd rather see a thinner core with more surface area to the ambient air coming in.

What's funny is when at the end of the day when Dane's car was on the dyno I was standing there with Jim and I just asked him casually. "You're a racing engineer. What do you think of all the inter coolers you've seen today." His response was there doesn't seem to be a one size fits all. More importantly it would totally depend on where the balance of pressure drop, thermal efficiency and recovery were.

Haha didn't answer my question at all... but it did reinforce some of the things that the good dr. o has been preaching.

 

The fins are much thinner but that is about all Ii really know...... Peter/M7 will have more info soon..... the DFIC flow through makes intuitive sense but the original build was not optimum.... this build looks to be much inproved.... I am planning at some point to add the rear vent to get true flow through

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20697468@N04/

Here is my updated intercooler gallery. It shows the included hood scoop as well.

 

Its funny how the highest horsepower cars that day had M7 DFIC's, they must be doing something right...What a coinsidence!

 

Unfortunately, given the conditions of a dyno, it's almost certain the ICs had little, if nothing, to do with the HP data collected. I saw some photos, and while there was a 8" or thereabouts flexpipe blowing air on the ICs, this in no way simulates the airflow you'd experience on the highway with the bonnet closed and a big scoop directing air to the IC, whichever that happens to be.
You can convince yourself the IC is improving the performance of your car, but until you provide measurable evidence, you're prognostications are going to viewed skeptically, at best.
And remember, I'm one of the guys publishing data on this IC efficiency thing--so I know what's measurable, and what's not. Dynos are not places to measure IC performance, period.

 

no way possible to articulate what I was thinking better then how dr. phil said it. Especially since he knows, 1000000000000000x more about cooling the intake path of the r53 then I ever will.

 

I beleive your right, the dyno is no place to measure what an intercooler can do. There is another coinsidence there. They must choose there mods wisely if they're hitting those numbers. Perhaps the intercooler wasn't one of the mods that made the numbers high but they choose the DFIC anyway... I have done three intercoolers, stock, alta top mount and the m7. I even switched back to stock for a while to see what I noticed. None compared to the "butt dyno" feeling I got as an all aroung driving experience with the M7 unit. Talk to anyone who has one. Try it. If your ever in the seattle area, come take my car for a spin!
Don't knock it untill you try it!!!

 

Umm, in that case, better not talk to me.

'Cuz I owned it, I measured it, I compared it, & I sold it.

 

Sounds fair, but I actually run the DFIC, and have thermocouples in the inlet and outlet of it that measure temps and deltas in real time. My measurements show that the variance in all temperature-related elements of the intake in our cars is so high that it's unlikely any relevant hypothesis for a change would be found statistically significant. When someone says that their IATs were 5F lower, on average, that's not going to be statistically different from 0F in the world we live, and I have data to back that claim up. So, you say, how big a delta in IATs would it have to be to be statistically significant, and although there's no definite answer to that question, it's going to have to be of the order of maginitude 20F or more in my estimation. Now, I know of no IC that has ever produced average IATs of that magnitude lower than the stocker, especially over varied conditions. I've posted some pretty impressive approach numbers (approach = ambient - IAT), as has PARTSMAN and a few others, but honestly they were in the "best case scenario" category. For me, my best performance data were generated during my last track day with an ambient of around 85F.
What data logging has highlighted for me is:
1. There is so much variance that the butt dyno is a useless instrument with which to measure performance.
2. There are so many variables to deal with that we are all pretty much shooting in the dark.

Which leads me to a more relevant conclusion: Your new DFIC is probably not harming the performance of your car under most circumstances, but it's unlikely to be adding significantly to the performance under all conditions. However, that said, there are probably other ways to spend the dollars you spent on the DFIC that produce substantially more impact on the performance of your MINI under most conditions. (and given the mods on your car, I'm not meaning *your* car, I'm meaning a MINI in general.)

 

Cool, I was just thinking it is 39 degrees here right now and it has been much colder since I have owned it, I did also get the areo gel heat shields, hood scoop and stuff which werent around when I was driving with the Alta and stock. I have yet to try it on a hot day...