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Drivetrain ECU upgrade, which one?

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Old Jun 27, 2003 | 11:12 AM
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I was wondering if anybody could help with this.
looking at variuos web sites for ECU upgrades, I see there can be a big price difference.
The Evotech upgrade offered by Mini Madness
$749 for the "S" upgrade with a claim of 15 Horse gain.
$399 for the cooper with a 10 horse gain.
The Evotech web site only show one for the MINI one.
are these gains at the wheels?

Diamond racing offers an ECU upgrade from Super Chips
$300 for both the cooper and the "S" with a claim of 8 horse.
Superchips web site also claims a 8 horse gain, I believe at the block.
not sure how it converts at the wheels?

What are most of the people that have had a pulley installed running for an ECU upgrade?
Thanx, if any body can help
 
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Old Jun 27, 2003 | 12:45 PM
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I have the Evotech upgrade available from Randy at MINI-Motorsport. Randy did all the legwork on dyno testing this and deserves some credit here. My car is an absolute hot rod now. Over 70 in 2nd gear, 50+ in first! This is one that really works!

Graham

PS I have the pulley also.


 
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Old Jun 27, 2003 | 01:01 PM
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Most everyone is doing the EVOtech and doing it through Randy. It's been repeatedly demonstrated to make good power, plus if you get the pulley later you can get a pulley specific program reflash.

When superchips released their program they as much as said it wasn't a significant change from stock and were pushing the "throttle response" not the power increase.
 
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Old Jun 27, 2003 | 01:57 PM
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>>Most everyone is doing the EVOtech and doing it through Randy. It's been repeatedly demonstrated to make good power, plus if you get the pulley later you can get a pulley specific program reflash.
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Dave, what a great sigline!
 
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Old Jun 27, 2003 | 03:16 PM
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i just got the evotech myself and it is well worth the money

 
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Old Jun 27, 2003 | 05:38 PM
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>>Dave, what a great sigline! >>>

Here Here Dave!

 
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Old Jun 27, 2003 | 05:49 PM
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Thanks mckinneymini and greatgro :smile:
 
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Old Jun 27, 2003 | 06:09 PM
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Has anyone with a CVT gotten an ECU upgrade?
If so, how did it perform? Is it a noticable improvement?

I heard on another board that chipping a CVT didn't do very much.

Thanks
Shawn
 
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Old Jun 27, 2003 | 08:33 PM
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I have the EvoTech ECU also and am very happy with the results. See the "more" link in my sig for a dyno graph of my car...
 
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Old Jun 27, 2003 | 10:38 PM
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Randy and EVOtech did my ECU too. I definitely love not having the cold-start problem anymore (side benefit), however the horsepower and TORQUE change is dramatic. Supposed 12-13HP across the band is totally believable.

The Superchips and Shark Injector can only change a few settings, not a full remap like EVOtech does. This means the engine will still run rich, and have the stock redline and top-speed limiter. But for significantly less money, it's a starting point.

Whenever MINI/Siemens gets their act together with the core ECU programming, along with the EVOtech remapping, the MINI will truly be world-class.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2003 | 12:43 AM
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Thanks Y'all
Sounds like the Evotech is the way to go!
 
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Old Jun 28, 2003 | 12:55 AM
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Mcooper-
Talk to Randy, he might bundle the pulley upgrade and Evotech ECU upgrade together for about $1100 installed.
This is based on discounts at pulley install parties done across the country. $400 for the pulley installed and $700 for the ECU if you have a cooper S. A very dramatic upgrade indeed. Too bad it voids your engine warranty
 
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Old Jun 28, 2003 | 02:36 AM
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i'm also interested in the evotech but i wanna make sure that my superchip sucks coz i don't wanna spend another 700us just to get something similar.

i dyno'd my car in my country with dyno dynamics and got 146whp with intake, header, exhaust, ecu & pulley.

a standard mcs made 110whp on my dyno and i know that the numbers are low compared to you guys but this is how i intepret my results.

it's a 36whp gain with all my mods....thats 33% increase in whp.

what's the best % gain in whp from evotech with similar mods.

by reading sleepless base run & evo tech run dyno results....whp jumps from 143whp (assuming this is base without intake) to 178whp ... that is a 33whp gain with his mods and thats about 25% gain in whp, correct me if i'm wrong.

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Old Jun 28, 2003 | 10:56 AM
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"My car is an absolute hot rod now. Over 70 in 2nd gear, 50+ in first! This is one that really works! "

Does this ecu raise the rev limit or does it change the gearing in the trans?

My stock Cooper S hits 50+ in 1st and just about 70 in 2nd.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2003 | 10:59 AM
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The EVOtech software raises the redline, yes. The stock MCS redline is 6950RPM. If you have the stock pulley, the new redline is 7500RPM. If you have the 15% pulley, then the redline is 7200RPM.

 
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 08:24 AM
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>>by reading sleepless base run & evo tech run dyno results....whp jumps from 143whp (assuming this is base without intake) to 178whp ... that is a 33whp gain with his mods and thats about 25% gain in whp, correct me if i'm wrong.

SMG:

Your calculations are correct, and in order to really get the answer you want you need to find someone who has the Evotech ECU *and* the intake/header/pipe/pulley set-up like you.

Correcting for the differences in dynos it looks like your making ~195-196hp (using a consistent baseline.)

I'd also make sure you're talking about the same RPM ceiling.

Jeff
 
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Old Jun 29, 2003 | 09:01 AM
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tks. jeff.....i'm sure someone in this forum has similar setup as mine......hehe
hope we'll all see the % gain in whp with the evotech with this kinda setup
 
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