Drivetrain ECU upgrade, which one?
I was wondering if anybody could help with this.
looking at variuos web sites for ECU upgrades, I see there can be a big price difference.
The Evotech upgrade offered by Mini Madness
$749 for the "S" upgrade with a claim of 15 Horse gain.
$399 for the cooper with a 10 horse gain.
The Evotech web site only show one for the MINI one.
are these gains at the wheels?
Diamond racing offers an ECU upgrade from Super Chips
$300 for both the cooper and the "S" with a claim of 8 horse.
Superchips web site also claims a 8 horse gain, I believe at the block.
not sure how it converts at the wheels?
What are most of the people that have had a pulley installed running for an ECU upgrade?
Thanx, if any body can help
looking at variuos web sites for ECU upgrades, I see there can be a big price difference.
The Evotech upgrade offered by Mini Madness
$749 for the "S" upgrade with a claim of 15 Horse gain.
$399 for the cooper with a 10 horse gain.
The Evotech web site only show one for the MINI one.
are these gains at the wheels?
Diamond racing offers an ECU upgrade from Super Chips
$300 for both the cooper and the "S" with a claim of 8 horse.
Superchips web site also claims a 8 horse gain, I believe at the block.
not sure how it converts at the wheels?
What are most of the people that have had a pulley installed running for an ECU upgrade?
Thanx, if any body can help
I have the Evotech upgrade available from Randy at MINI-Motorsport. Randy did all the legwork on dyno testing this and deserves some credit here. My car is an absolute hot rod now. Over 70 in 2nd gear, 50+ in first! This is one that really works!
Graham
PS I have the pulley also.
Graham
PS I have the pulley also.
Most everyone is doing the EVOtech and doing it through Randy. It's been repeatedly demonstrated to make good power, plus if you get the pulley later you can get a pulley specific program reflash.
When superchips released their program they as much as said it wasn't a significant change from stock and were pushing the "throttle response" not the power increase.
When superchips released their program they as much as said it wasn't a significant change from stock and were pushing the "throttle response" not the power increase.
>>Most everyone is doing the EVOtech and doing it through Randy. It's been repeatedly demonstrated to make good power, plus if you get the pulley later you can get a pulley specific program reflash.
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Dave, what a great sigline!
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Dave, what a great sigline!
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Randy and EVOtech did my ECU too. I definitely love not having the cold-start problem anymore (side benefit), however the horsepower and TORQUE change is dramatic. Supposed 12-13HP across the band is totally believable.
The Superchips and Shark Injector can only change a few settings, not a full remap like EVOtech does. This means the engine will still run rich, and have the stock redline and top-speed limiter. But for significantly less money, it's a starting point.
Whenever MINI/Siemens gets their act together with the core ECU programming, along with the EVOtech remapping, the MINI will truly be world-class.
The Superchips and Shark Injector can only change a few settings, not a full remap like EVOtech does. This means the engine will still run rich, and have the stock redline and top-speed limiter. But for significantly less money, it's a starting point.
Whenever MINI/Siemens gets their act together with the core ECU programming, along with the EVOtech remapping, the MINI will truly be world-class.
Mcooper-
Talk to Randy, he might bundle the pulley upgrade and Evotech ECU upgrade together for about $1100 installed.
This is based on discounts at pulley install parties done across the country. $400 for the pulley installed and $700 for the ECU if you have a cooper S. A very dramatic upgrade indeed. Too bad it voids your engine warranty
Talk to Randy, he might bundle the pulley upgrade and Evotech ECU upgrade together for about $1100 installed.
This is based on discounts at pulley install parties done across the country. $400 for the pulley installed and $700 for the ECU if you have a cooper S. A very dramatic upgrade indeed. Too bad it voids your engine warranty
i'm also interested in the evotech but i wanna make sure that my superchip sucks coz i don't wanna spend another 700us just to get something similar.
i dyno'd my car in my country with dyno dynamics and got 146whp with intake, header, exhaust, ecu & pulley.
a standard mcs made 110whp on my dyno and i know that the numbers are low compared to you guys but this is how i intepret my results.
it's a 36whp gain with all my mods....thats 33% increase in whp.
what's the best % gain in whp from evotech with similar mods.
by reading sleepless base run & evo tech run dyno results....whp jumps from 143whp (assuming this is base without intake) to 178whp ... that is a 33whp gain with his mods and thats about 25% gain in whp, correct me if i'm wrong.
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magnecor & denso,madness intake,supersprint header,racepipe & exhaust,pulley & ecu@1.10bar boost,kw v2 coilovers,volks ce28n forged wheels & yoko 048R,hamann front & rear spoilers
i dyno'd my car in my country with dyno dynamics and got 146whp with intake, header, exhaust, ecu & pulley.
a standard mcs made 110whp on my dyno and i know that the numbers are low compared to you guys but this is how i intepret my results.
it's a 36whp gain with all my mods....thats 33% increase in whp.
what's the best % gain in whp from evotech with similar mods.
by reading sleepless base run & evo tech run dyno results....whp jumps from 143whp (assuming this is base without intake) to 178whp ... that is a 33whp gain with his mods and thats about 25% gain in whp, correct me if i'm wrong.
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magnecor & denso,madness intake,supersprint header,racepipe & exhaust,pulley & ecu@1.10bar boost,kw v2 coilovers,volks ce28n forged wheels & yoko 048R,hamann front & rear spoilers
"My car is an absolute hot rod now. Over 70 in 2nd gear, 50+ in first! This is one that really works! "
Does this ecu raise the rev limit or does it change the gearing in the trans?
My stock Cooper S hits 50+ in 1st and just about 70 in 2nd.
Does this ecu raise the rev limit or does it change the gearing in the trans?
My stock Cooper S hits 50+ in 1st and just about 70 in 2nd.
The EVOtech software raises the redline, yes. The stock MCS redline is 6950RPM. If you have the stock pulley, the new redline is 7500RPM. If you have the 15% pulley, then the redline is 7200RPM.
>>by reading sleepless base run & evo tech run dyno results....whp jumps from 143whp (assuming this is base without intake) to 178whp ... that is a 33whp gain with his mods and thats about 25% gain in whp, correct me if i'm wrong.
SMG:
Your calculations are correct, and in order to really get the answer you want you need to find someone who has the Evotech ECU *and* the intake/header/pipe/pulley set-up like you.
Correcting for the differences in dynos it looks like your making ~195-196hp (using a consistent baseline.)
I'd also make sure you're talking about the same RPM ceiling.
Jeff
SMG:
Your calculations are correct, and in order to really get the answer you want you need to find someone who has the Evotech ECU *and* the intake/header/pipe/pulley set-up like you.
Correcting for the differences in dynos it looks like your making ~195-196hp (using a consistent baseline.)
I'd also make sure you're talking about the same RPM ceiling.
Jeff
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