Drivetrain M7 Intercooler bezel
My post edited.I just dont understand why you're drilling M7 to post numbers/data when clearly this is something new that is probably only on Peter's car at the moment.
Give them some time to get some data.
Last edited by Partsman; Oct 24, 2007 at 12:58 PM.
All is fine... Just stick your head in the sand
I have no beef in this... but man I couldn't resist the temptation... and I know I'll get flamed for this because obviously anyone asking for any straight answer these days gets flamed.
I would like to know how did you come to this statement or if you can explain it to me with simple numbers...
inexpensive compared to what?
"incredibly efficient with out the cost of a large intercooler"!! so what are you saying here... is it better than the other bigger IC? 50% as good or 25%? I am also pretty sure that no one in the rational world of business would cough up such a statement with out proper back up for it... You are taking pre orders so one would think those are as good as YOU say because it was tested and you put down that statement because you KNOW it is true and hope it's not only "looks like so".
These are genuine questions that I would like to know the answer for and as you see in my signature I do have lots of M7 parts.
On the other hand, I do not own a R56, but my questions are for general knowledge... I should note that buying parts from M7 really made me a wiser shopper and that's why I am asking these questions here...much more like someone shouldn't spend say $100 or so for some "black heat dissipating coat" just because it says that it is heat dissipating!
I really hope you don't shy away from answering or give the "oh that's why I don't post numbers anymore" or just let it go by like you did to other general questions that I had posted before on this forum
One last thing, I think that PGT posted a reasonable questions with no need for you to say if he does or does not own a R56, or get flamed by other members for doing so... after all, you did post this for "general NAM community" and I wouldn't care if even a Subaru guy had posted a question as long as he is a member and part of the community and can add knowledge and information to it.
Bottom Line:
No One Is Slamming You... I Just Need Straight Up Figures
Cheers
inexpensive compared to what?
"incredibly efficient with out the cost of a large intercooler"!! so what are you saying here... is it better than the other bigger IC? 50% as good or 25%? I am also pretty sure that no one in the rational world of business would cough up such a statement with out proper back up for it... You are taking pre orders so one would think those are as good as YOU say because it was tested and you put down that statement because you KNOW it is true and hope it's not only "looks like so".
These are genuine questions that I would like to know the answer for and as you see in my signature I do have lots of M7 parts.
On the other hand, I do not own a R56, but my questions are for general knowledge... I should note that buying parts from M7 really made me a wiser shopper and that's why I am asking these questions here...much more like someone shouldn't spend say $100 or so for some "black heat dissipating coat" just because it says that it is heat dissipating!
I really hope you don't shy away from answering or give the "oh that's why I don't post numbers anymore" or just let it go by like you did to other general questions that I had posted before on this forum
One last thing, I think that PGT posted a reasonable questions with no need for you to say if he does or does not own a R56, or get flamed by other members for doing so... after all, you did post this for "general NAM community" and I wouldn't care if even a Subaru guy had posted a question as long as he is a member and part of the community and can add knowledge and information to it.
Bottom Line:
No One Is Slamming You... I Just Need Straight Up Figures
Cheers
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While I'm at it, I wouldn't mind having some information on how you guys did your velocity and flow regime calculations on the interior of your new intake for the R56.
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Are you talking about me? You know sitting on NAM all day to answer
questions is not an option.....period.
IE. pile on for the fun of it I guess
If you have been around, you know we make hoodscoops for the R53
those units have shown them selfs to be incredibly efficient in cooling
and directing more air through the cores. As a matter of fact some nam members have found their stock unit exceeding some aftermarket units
in efficiency. This at a much lower cost, easier install etc. Again the unit
I'm sorry to say, I showed of here on NAM the other day is brand new and has hardly any miles on it IE. no time for instrumented testing.
You will know as soon as we get some time to put it through it paces.
And you are saying?
I don't understand, I don't owe you anything, I have a life outside of the MINI world, kids, hobby's, a wife. So it's up to my discretion if and when
I can, or wan't to come on and scan every single topic and or thread that
M7 is involved in....I hope you understand.
There's ways to ask nicely, and another when there's an agenda, with PGT there's a huge agenda......a certain website seems to be the landing pad for certain NAM members, who are planing their attacks towards me or M7 for their personal entertainment on a daily basis. When these things happens don't expect me to play nice.
Don't patronize me, after being part of this community from the begining
I know exactly what's going on here on NAM, good or bad.
Most people are fantastic with a genuine interest in the MINI and all it stands for.
As for the M7 Intercooler Bezel mark my wordit will be a very successfull product as it makes sense, the price is right and it looks good.
And yes I will have #'s after SEMA.
Peter
M7 Tuning
562-608-8123
Cheers[/quote]
questions is not an option.....period.
those units have shown them selfs to be incredibly efficient in cooling
and directing more air through the cores. As a matter of fact some nam members have found their stock unit exceeding some aftermarket units
in efficiency. This at a much lower cost, easier install etc. Again the unit
I'm sorry to say, I showed of here on NAM the other day is brand new and has hardly any miles on it IE. no time for instrumented testing.
so what are you saying here... is it better than the other bigger IC? 50% as good or 25%? I am also pretty sure that no one in the rational world of business would cough up such a statement with out proper back up for it... You are taking pre orders so one would think those are as good as YOU say because it was tested and you put down that statement because you KNOW it is true and hope it's not only "looks like so".
On the other hand, I do not own a R56, but my questions are for general knowledge... I should note that buying parts from M7 really made me a wiser shopper and that's why I am asking these questions here...much more like someone shouldn't spend say $100 or so for some "black heat dissipating coat" just because it says that it is heat dissipating!
I can, or wan't to come on and scan every single topic and or thread that
M7 is involved in....I hope you understand.
One last thing, I think that PGT posted a reasonable questions with no need for you to say if he does or does not own a R56, or get flamed by other members for doing so... after all, you did post this for "general NAM community" and I wouldn't care if even a Subaru guy had posted a question as long as he is a member and part of the community and can add knowledge and information to it.
Don't patronize me, after being part of this community from the begining
I know exactly what's going on here on NAM, good or bad.
Most people are fantastic with a genuine interest in the MINI and all it stands for.
As for the M7 Intercooler Bezel mark my wordit will be a very successfull product as it makes sense, the price is right and it looks good.
And yes I will have #'s after SEMA.
Peter
M7 Tuning
562-608-8123
Cheers[/quote]
Apparently you do have time to follow every post about M7 here and on other sites instead of spending time with your family. 
please, enlighten me and share what agenda you think I have by asking for data to back up your claims of increased performance (you made them, not me). I gave you my reasons for asking for data...your reply was not substantive but only condescending towards me. Nice of you to treat a repeat customer in that way.
full disclosure - I bought an M7 product on a much hyped pre-sale. My mistake for not asking questions up front then. I even bought more from M7 in person last year.
please, don't patronize NAM members with the "buy first, ask questions second" marketing mentality. Some of us have "been there, done that" and know better now (speaking in general and in specific about M7 - you still don't have exhaust fitment conflicts on your site about the USS, do you?).
As I said...it looks like it could be a useful product. 'could be' is the operative phrase.
Last edited by PGT; Oct 24, 2007 at 08:49 PM.
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The Intercooler on our beloved R56 has some issues no doubt.......... If you take a very close look at where the intercooler is placed, you will find that one third of the core is below the airflow sightline thus lowering down the efficiency of the core.
The M7 solution is inexpensive and incredibly efficient without the cost of a
large intercooler.
We will have two versions, the one in the images is the "Racing Version".
.......... aiming it in to the intercooler with great results.
We will have these available for sale in less then 2 weeks. We will take pre-orders for both versions.
The M7 solution is inexpensive and incredibly efficient without the cost of a
large intercooler.
We will have two versions, the one in the images is the "Racing Version".
.......... aiming it in to the intercooler with great results.
We will have these available for sale in less then 2 weeks. We will take pre-orders for both versions.
Here is where I think you guys get into trouble. You come in here and state that the stock intercooler developed after years of testing by a major corporation with millions of dollars in R&D has issues. Then you say that you have a "solution" that is incredibly inexpensive and efficient. Then you mention you have great results.
Someone questions what those results are and you get upset. You continue to promise results in subsequent posts but in this post you say the product is available for presale and will be shipping in two weeks. When exactly are you going to provide results? If those results don't match the promised efficiency are you going to refund purchases? Although in your defense you never stated how much efficiency is increased (I guess that would be test results
) so I suppose you could say whatever increase is shown is applicable as gains. In your latest post you compare these requests for results with former questions regarding your R53 scoop (which to my knowledge you never provided numbers for) and fall back on the language you continually use. I consider it marketing hype, which may I say you are fantastic at
I quote you, "As a matter of fact some nam members have found their stock unit exceeding some aftermarket units in efficiency. This at a much lower cost, easier install etc." Then you finally admit that you have done no testing......again, I quote "Again the unit I'm sorry to say, I showed of here on NAM the other day is brand new and has hardly any miles on it IE. no time for instrumented testing." yet you said it showed great results.
And then you finish with this gem.....again quoting you answering someone who is interested in your product "I don't owe you anything, I have a life outside of the MINI world, kids, hobby's, a wife. So it's up to my discretion if and when I can, or wan't to come on and scan every single topic and or thread that M7 is involved in....I hope you understand.." Well, I understand the family part, the part I don't understand is you have enough time to come here and post a new product for sale that you would like people to pay for but you don't have time to answer the questions they ask?
No I don't understand, I'm with PGT on this one.
First of all, Thanks for having the "time" 
to reply to my post
No the title is not directed at you... this is for general public
Hmmm... I don't see where the fun in this? I know some people find it amusing and entertaining, but I don't need to group up and post something just for the fun of it. I was straight forward... "Numbers Needed"
Again, I would like to see proof or some Data logging for the scoops you claim if you don't mind. This is the same issue I am bringing up with your first post.... claims without proper backup. I am sure that the DFIC or your new part for the R56 looks like they are going to do some good, but to be honest... " Looks" doesn't cut it enough for me these days... And that goes for you, M7, and every other manufacturer reading on here.
So are you relying on what members found... well I found that after a 20 minutes drive I can pop my hood and fry an egg on the DFIC... Does that count? the Black heat dissipating coat is doing nothing, unless you proof otherwise, to the performance of the DFIC. hence comes the inexpensive statement... I would expect a supplier to say that it comest in different colors for your satisfaction rather than say it is heat dissipating. In all my years in construction and development I have never seen a "black!" heat dissipating coat they are all white. (White is the most color reflecting light and heat, black is the opposite) I like how the DFIC works, but sorry to say that I got it based on hype here on NAM and lack of research from my part, not based on numbers and that it does do something... or little of it.
You know you are admitting that your claims, in the first post, are false... for all we know this could harm the engine by catching debris and dirt and clogging the IC!!! My point is, there is no data... then why the fake Hype?
I sure hope so... and I hope the people ordering it now, know what they are getting before they pay for it.
No disrespect... If you can't read between the lines, then look up two paragraphs for answer.
Wow... I wouldn't expect this answer from a business 
, but more like (sorry our dear potential customer, but we will try to improve more in the future and try to answer all your questions as we are short staffed for the moment) that would have been great, but what you just said is just like saying FU sucker...we got your cash in the bank already. I wounder if other people claims of M7 not responding to their problems is true
And by the way, as long as I have M7 parts on my car you do owe me some kind of explanation... Unless you are recommending that I take them off for a more customer supportive supplier. (would you care to pay for the hassle... say take all M7 parts of my car for 30% of what I paid and we'll call it even? ) What kind of message you are sending to your customers... "Hey stop b1t*h1ng, I'll get to you on my own time, buy the part and be quite"!!!
I don't care for what is said on other sites... I am a NAM member and saw his post HERE... It is straight forward and would have been better if you would have just answered his question rather than go through all the hassle. You just made it more obvious that M7 is facing un-contained problems on other MINI sites. It is always best to be clear and honest...forget about members... you are a supplier and have a commitment toward you customers, NAM members. If his post was private, then I would understand, but it wasn't and it caught my attention.
Peter
M7 Tuning
562-608-8123
Will be waiting to see
to reply to my post
Are you talking about me? You know sitting on NAM all day to answer
questions is not an option.....period.
questions is not an option.....period.
IE. pile on for the fun of it I guess
If you have been around, you know we make hoodscoops for the R53
those units have shown them selfs to be incredibly efficient in cooling
and directing more air through the cores
those units have shown them selfs to be incredibly efficient in cooling
and directing more air through the cores
As a matter of fact some nam members have found their stock unit exceeding some aftermarket units in efficiency.
Again the unit, I'm sorry to say, I showed of here on NAM the other day is brand new and has hardly any miles on it IE. no time for instrumented testing
You will know as soon as we get some time to put it through it paces.
And you are saying?
I don't understand, I don't owe you anything, I have a life outside of the MINI world, kids, hobby's, a wife. So it's up to my discretion if and when
I can, or wan't to come on and scan every single topic and or thread that
M7 is involved in....I hope you understand.
I can, or wan't to come on and scan every single topic and or thread that
M7 is involved in....I hope you understand.
, but more like (sorry our dear potential customer, but we will try to improve more in the future and try to answer all your questions as we are short staffed for the moment) that would have been great, but what you just said is just like saying FU sucker...we got your cash in the bank already. I wounder if other people claims of M7 not responding to their problems is true And by the way, as long as I have M7 parts on my car you do owe me some kind of explanation... Unless you are recommending that I take them off for a more customer supportive supplier. (would you care to pay for the hassle... say take all M7 parts of my car for 30% of what I paid and we'll call it even? ) What kind of message you are sending to your customers... "Hey stop b1t*h1ng, I'll get to you on my own time, buy the part and be quite"!!!
There's ways to ask nicely, and another when there's an agenda, with PGT there's a huge agenda......a certain website seems to be the landing pad for certain NAM members, who are planing their attacks towards me or M7 for their personal entertainment on a daily basis. When these things happens don't expect me to play nice.
As for the M7 Intercooler Bezel mark my wordit will be a very successfull product as it makes sense, the price is right and it looks good.
And yes I will have #'s after SEMA.
And yes I will have #'s after SEMA.
M7 Tuning
562-608-8123
Last edited by ca$per; Oct 26, 2007 at 03:39 AM.
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Wow, in addition to admitting there was nothing to back your hype of the product, that was a very interesting response to a member that owns several of your parts. 
I guess we'll just have to wait until results are posted...
I guess we'll just have to wait until results are posted...
W T F ???
You are all so argumentative. So what, if M7 didn't provide numbers yet? WHO CARES?
If you want to see numbers before purchasing this part, here is a really simple solution for you: wait until after SEMA, when m7 releases the numbers... it's THAT SIMPLE.
Quit whining, and BE PATIENT. Go busy yourselves by reading the thousands of other posts on NAM until after SEMA, because there won't be numbers in this thread until then.
Stop piling onto this stupid back-and-forth argument over essentially nothing. Don't you guys have anything better to do, than to degrade the NAM boards with this endless arguing?
m7, I applaud your continual efforts to develop innovative performance parts for the MINI. I own your strut tower brace, which I'm very happy with, and aspire to get more items in the future, (when money somehow and mysteriously gets deposited into my car fund). Don't let these few argumentative NAM members ruin it for the rest of us civil NAM members. There are lots of us out here; we just aren't nearly as vocal as the argumentative ones, unfortunately.
You are all so argumentative. So what, if M7 didn't provide numbers yet?
WHO CARES?If you want to see numbers before purchasing this part, here is a really simple solution for you: wait until after SEMA, when m7 releases the numbers... it's THAT SIMPLE.
Quit whining, and BE PATIENT. Go busy yourselves by reading the thousands of other posts on NAM until after SEMA, because there won't be numbers in this thread until then.
Stop piling onto this stupid back-and-forth argument over essentially nothing. Don't you guys have anything better to do, than to degrade the NAM boards with this endless arguing?
m7, I applaud your continual efforts to develop innovative performance parts for the MINI. I own your strut tower brace, which I'm very happy with, and aspire to get more items in the future, (when money somehow and mysteriously gets deposited into my car fund
). Don't let these few argumentative NAM members ruin it for the rest of us civil NAM members. There are lots of us out here; we just aren't nearly as vocal as the argumentative ones, unfortunately.
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Stop piling onto this stupid back-and-forth argument over essentially nothing. Don't you guys have anything better to do, than to degrade the NAM boards with this endless arguing?
m7, I applaud your continual efforts to develop innovative performance parts for the MINI. I own your strut tower brace, which I'm very happy with, and aspire to get more items in the future, (when money somehow and mysteriously gets deposited into my car fund). Don't let these few argumentative NAM members ruin it for the rest of us civil NAM members. There are lots of us out here; we just aren't nearly as vocal as the argumentative ones, unfortunately.
m7, I applaud your continual efforts to develop innovative performance parts for the MINI. I own your strut tower brace, which I'm very happy with, and aspire to get more items in the future, (when money somehow and mysteriously gets deposited into my car fund
). Don't let these few argumentative NAM members ruin it for the rest of us civil NAM members. There are lots of us out here; we just aren't nearly as vocal as the argumentative ones, unfortunately.
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From: PA
W T F ???
You are all so argumentative. So what, if M7 didn't provide numbers yet? WHO CARES?
If you want to see numbers before purchasing this part, here is a really simple solution for you: wait until after SEMA, when m7 releases the numbers... it's THAT SIMPLE.
Quit whining, and BE PATIENT. Go busy yourselves by reading the thousands of other posts on NAM until after SEMA, because there won't be numbers in this thread until then.
Stop piling onto this stupid back-and-forth argument over essentially nothing. Don't you guys have anything better to do, than to degrade the NAM boards with this endless arguing?
m7, I applaud your continual efforts to develop innovative performance parts for the MINI. I own your strut tower brace, which I'm very happy with, and aspire to get more items in the future, (when money somehow and mysteriously gets deposited into my car fund). Don't let these few argumentative NAM members ruin it for the rest of us civil NAM members. There are lots of us out here; we just aren't nearly as vocal as the argumentative ones, unfortunately.
You are all so argumentative. So what, if M7 didn't provide numbers yet?
WHO CARES?If you want to see numbers before purchasing this part, here is a really simple solution for you: wait until after SEMA, when m7 releases the numbers... it's THAT SIMPLE.
Quit whining, and BE PATIENT. Go busy yourselves by reading the thousands of other posts on NAM until after SEMA, because there won't be numbers in this thread until then.
Stop piling onto this stupid back-and-forth argument over essentially nothing. Don't you guys have anything better to do, than to degrade the NAM boards with this endless arguing?
m7, I applaud your continual efforts to develop innovative performance parts for the MINI. I own your strut tower brace, which I'm very happy with, and aspire to get more items in the future, (when money somehow and mysteriously gets deposited into my car fund
). Don't let these few argumentative NAM members ruin it for the rest of us civil NAM members. There are lots of us out here; we just aren't nearly as vocal as the argumentative ones, unfortunately. *would have preferred amen but Straius beat me to it.*
Last edited by Msteadman; Oct 26, 2007 at 08:14 AM.
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With that said I will be patiently awaiting numbers. If this part is all that M7 has promised it's going to be perfect for me - can't justify the $800 for a larger intercooler but really want to increase cooling.
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First, I want to point out that I had nothing to do with this.
Second, I see some of you are newer members. Your belief that you will see numbers after SEMA is very endearing. I hope it comes through for you. My experience says otherwise.
Second, I see some of you are newer members. Your belief that you will see numbers after SEMA is very endearing. I hope it comes through for you. My experience says otherwise.
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For anyone curious about numbers....you could easily check out the Madness site which sells a very similar product and see the numbers they posted since they have actually released the product. I understand you will probably have some witty reason for why this isn't enough.....but the product is incredibly similar and there really isn't any reason that the M7 numbers would be any different (besides dyno differences)...it's just some bent metal. It will be nice to see numbers from M7 when they actually release the product....but for now, since you're so eager, you could just click this link.
http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=295
It is cute that the people who knock r56's all day have warm enough hearts to still take the time out to confront a company for a product for r56's.
http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=295
It is cute that the people who knock r56's all day have warm enough hearts to still take the time out to confront a company for a product for r56's.
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I don't really care about when they release numbers and if they do... That's an easy decision to make when comparing products when it comes time to purchase.
It's worth saying that polite conduct (no matter what you think of the vendor) has it's own merits.
Just remember that this isn't a private conversation between a vendor and a member. Regardless of your opinions, it's impolite to the other members reading the board. You can make your point in more effective ways that will have more traction with the community.
I'd say that the point about numbers has been made pretty clearly and we'll all wait and see what happens. If there aren't any numbers... they can claim what they want, but I doubt that they'd enjoy the success they desire.
What more punishment would a company need than that?
It's worth saying that polite conduct (no matter what you think of the vendor) has it's own merits.
Just remember that this isn't a private conversation between a vendor and a member. Regardless of your opinions, it's impolite to the other members reading the board. You can make your point in more effective ways that will have more traction with the community.
I'd say that the point about numbers has been made pretty clearly and we'll all wait and see what happens. If there aren't any numbers... they can claim what they want, but I doubt that they'd enjoy the success they desire.
What more punishment would a company need than that?