Life is just one big hazard, IMHO if we only know half of it we would never leave the house. Soy, corn, chlorine, heavy metals like Aluminum cans and the stuff in antiperspirants, fluoride, extremely high levels of radiation when flying on airplanes, and the list can go on and on.

I can understand if someone is concerned, but really everything we come in contact with at some point is dangerous. If this is your way of getting out of cleaning your car then just do not do it. Keep it roll'in dirty.

 

My wife just told me about this. I know it is off topic from the Detailing 101 but on track with everything is dangerous out there.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/scho...hbox112105.cfm

High levels leads of lead in childerns' vinyl lunch boxes.

 

I try to condition my system to all the detailing products I use a little at a time - brush my teeth a few times a week with Klasse One-step, use Zymol carnauba for underarms (love that fresh scent!) and keep the hairdo under control with Prima Slick . . .I tried using Zaino as a skin conditioner/sunscreen in the mornings, but waiting for things to "cure" or using the accelerator potion got me confused and made me late for work. My immune system is little by little gearing up to handle the most Obsessive-compulsive detailing without risk.

 

Guys, please try to refrain from this flippant classic attitude that comes up whenever health or safety concerns are brought up - people may have grown up sucking on mercury pops dipped in lead paint and flipped inside cars with no seatbelts, non tempered glass and hatchets for headrests or whatever, but give my concerns a little respect. I am simply trying to make an educated choice and noticed a lack of information and have questions, if you have no concerns and are happy to remain unaware of these things then great, this thread is not up your alley.

Yes there are normal hazards one encounters living and leading a typical life, however there are also unecessary risks when it comes to chemicals and products and the cause an effect on health/disease, as I stated, circumstances have brought this to my attention for several reasons. Once I started poking around after initial question it really became clear that there are links between environmental factors/exposure to chemicals and some types of cancer among other things, and I think the questions are worth asking and ingredients worth knowing.

 

To say that life is a hazard or say that chemicals are all around us is simply ignorant and harmful advice. Putting a plasticizer on your hands or breathing it in is nothing to do with living a half mile from a free way and getting some bad air quality. The reasons for birth defects are so numerous, it would astound you. every step of the development can be altered. one step kidney function, the other step eye development, so many steps and so many taratogens. Miscarriages are due to a severe birth defect. they dont just happen.

What is allowable by law is massive and repulsive. It is up to wise people to look into these factors. I am looking for a new line of products myself actually, ones that might be a bit more me friendly and less irritating. I dont think any detailing company has addressed this issue yet. It would probably destroy a lot of the business if someone made a safer system.

If i was a female, I would really be wary of many of these products. It seems that hormonal functions govern a woman's health much more so than a man's. If I was in child bearing years, I would even be more cautious. As it stands I have not discontinued the use of most of my products, but it is getting more and more worrisome now that I think about it more directly.

 

[Hands in my pocket, kicks the dirt and looks sheepish] Sorry eVal . Gosh durnit.

 

Please point out the ignorance in my first paragraph. The second paragraph was my comic relief!

Everything I listed is bad for you!!!!

Soy....they make diesel fuel out of it!!!
Corn...it is in our gasoline!!!!
Heavy Metals(cans, toothpaste, and the crAAp you put under your stinky armpits to stop the sweat)....are linked to Alzheimer’s and Dementia!!!!
The radiation levels on airplanes is so far above the expectable FDA levels it is not even funny!!!!

These are all know....but yet we have not disclaimer was my point!

My god if you want to wage a war against the car cleaning products of our country than go ahead.

So sorry for not taking your concerns so serious and thanks for calling me ignorant!!!

 

I'm not saying anything. I don't like it when eVal yells at me.

 

No worries, I know no real put down was intended I just didn't want the thread to become about trivializing my questions and concerns and its frustrating to see the logic come up that because some people are okay or lived through worse that there is no need to consider that others have been effected/unknown effects or that there are considerations worth thinking and knowing about.

I wish I didn't have to think about it and that these chemicals and day to day compounds and such sitting on the shelf could be relied on to be harmless. It sucks and its sad/scary to look into the daunting subject and think about it, it would be much simpler to ignore it - but I think its better for me and my family to at least ask when the information on the face of the products is lacking.

 

Manufacturers in the U.S. are required to have MSDSs available for their products, and any decent vendor that sells them should provide assistance as well. If you don't remember where you got a product, just look on the label for their phone number, website, or even just Google the company's address to get a phone number. I do this all the time for work, and generally the only pitfall is if a product is older and the company is out of business or has been purchased by another company, or sold the product to another company, etc.

(If the company is being difficult, just tell them that your kid may have eaten their product. They'll probably fax something riiight over to you.)

The MSDS is required to list any hazardous ingredient that composes 1% or greater of the product, and any carcinogen that composes 0.1% or greater.

All MSDSs have the same numbered sections, as mandated by OSHA. Section 3 is the one that has info on the product's potential health effects, exposure pathways, and signs and symptoms of exposure.

One thing to keep in mind is that many companies are lazy when it comes to MSDSs and have a lot of "cookie cutter" language that they repeat across all of their MSDSs, basically to cover their ***. You can find MSDSs for orange juice that will tell you to wear respiratory protection, and have a spill cleaned up by a hazmat team. So, unfortunately hazards are occasionally overstated. Luckily, they're rarely understated, at least according to current science.

Mr. Pep'r, your argument about corn and soy is asinine. Almost anything organic, probably even you and I, can be made into an alcohol and used as fuel.

In general, I doubt that newer car detailing products present much of a hazard if they are used in well-ventilated areas, and not kept in prolonged contact with skin, but it certainly makes sense to be extra-cautious if you are or may be pregnant.

 

El_Jefe & chrisneal, thanks for your replies. Just FYI from some of what I've found re chemicals, disclosure and such:

"If a product contains a hazardous substance, the product must bear a label of specific size, and the label must contain certain information, depending on the toxicity of the product. Label information addresses acute or immediate effects only. Chronic or long-term hazards to chemical products are not discussed. "Inert" ingredients are chemicals added as "carriers" for the active ingredients in cleaners and pesticides. Only the percentages of inert ingredients are required on the label, not their identities. Some inert ingredients are hazardous. Many chemicals have numerous trade and/or scientific names that make it difficult to compare products. Also, proper disposal information often is not listed on the label of many products....
Inert ingredients are often times more poisonous than the active ingredient and they are not required by law to be labeled. We can never find out exactly what is in theses products unless disclosure laws are changed."

Honestly, it only looks like the minimum info is available and a lot is not being done as it is next to impossible to study the results of mixtures of these chemicals and individual exposure - apparently since low dose exposure can result in chemicals stored in fat the links to breast cancer is very real, http://www.bcaction.org/PDF/StateofEvidence.pdf. Then there are serious auto immune diseases we seem in the dark about cause and treatment.

Anyway, as I said, it is a daunting subject - I didn't really know how much when I first had my questions and began this thread.

 

PM Heather!

 

That info you posted pertains to product labels, which is very different from what is required on an MSDS. The MSDS is required to have the actual chemical identities, with their real chemical names, not trade names. Each chemical should have a CAS number listed, which is a unique identifier for that chemical, like a VIN number.

"We can never find out exactly what is in theses products unless disclosure laws are changed."

That's not really true for just about anything that you're going to purchase as a consumer. The MSDS will have just about all the info you could want.

What is true is what you said: that it's impossible to research the health effects of every combination of chemicals, so it's wise to always be cautious.

Just make sure you're not using something that contains obvious nasties like benzene, mercury, formaldehyde, lead, etc. (you probably aren't), use products in a well-ventilated area, and keep them away from eyes, broken skin, etc., and you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

 

Earlier I sent an email asking for info, is that what you mean? Or do you mean about potential hazards? With hope she's already considered and looked into that and can help me with more info..

And you know I'm not just concerned with the Prima stuff, which is why I haven't stated any product in particular, I don't want to look like I'm targeting anyone specifically.


Okay, cool, hopefully I'll be getting some of the MSDSs soon and I can at least see what I'm dealing with, and perhaps determine if its okay to use/get on skin/inhale or even how to dispose of the stuff. I'm guessing some have petrolium based chemicals in them and who knows what kind of synthetics/polymer combos and the like that may not be great (and as well ventilated as I've been in the past there is no way not to get close to this when detailing) - with hope I can figure out enough to make some choices. I wish this info just came with the products though.

 

Corn starch, corn syrup, sugar, just to name a few is not good for the human body. Soy is also not good for our body and was told by a nutritionist that is it actually toxic. I do not know for sure since that is not my line of work, but what I can tell you...when I was making protein shakes out of soy milk it make me feel like garbage. People still eat McDonalds, there are no warring labels on the Big Mac that this product is hazardous to your heath! My only point is there are lots of products that are bad for us and getting all freaked out about car wax and window cleaning spray IMHO IS FRIGGEN ASININE.

So we say "lets rely on the FDA or the government to keep us safe" with all these warnings and labels, just like ones on PLASTIC BAGS WARNING PARTENTS THESE ARE NOT TOYS!!! Then explain this to me...why are there four children one of them being my nephew all around the same age in my life suffering from Autism!?!? Studies have linked this massive trend to a vaccine that was APPROVED by the FDA. THEY FOUND IT TO BE SAFE FOR NEW BORNS!!!!!!

If you are scard of car cleaning products or worried what they might do to you THEN DO NOT USE THEM!! Oh, and one more thing....you better not grab any public door handle or ****. They have found traces human feces on them. See again there are a lot of BAD things out in the world!!! I really hope everyone sees my point now. :impatient

 

I'm not "getting all freaked out" I just want more information specifically about detailing products that do not state any details and are not simply wax and water, and that is not asinine. Making statements about unrelated random things all the way to the extreme of touching doorknobs to make a point disparaging me/my desire for more info is just plain (edited) rude.

 

Going back to my original post.....my point was again there are a lot of bad things out there...and if we only know half we would never leave our homes. Then someone called me ignorant for the point I was trying to make, hence my replies.

If you find me rude then so be it. Good luck in quest!

 

*sigh* yeah, the rolleyes means you are sincere

It is too bad this got dragged down into bickering. I've been using these products and things came up that made me look at them more closely, notice a lack of data/instructions, and want to know more about them and other similar things. If others don't care then so be it, to use your term, this topic's not for you. Sorry that its not a fun subject, and if it is no use to anyone mods can feel free to delete it, I just had hoped people here could help me (and some did).

 

This was my qoute....^^^^^^^^^^

This was another members....^^^^^^^^^^

BUT YET I WAS BEING ACCUSED OF IGNORANCE AND BEING ASSINE!

Making so called UNREALATED STATEMENTS to make a point disparaging your desire!

Just maybe my mother's Dementia was caused by too much Windex or my wife's godson's Autism was from natural causes. AGAIN MY POINT WAS.....THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS BAD FOR US OUT THERE!!!!!!! We even KNOW THEY ARE BAD AND WE AS HUMANS KEEP DOING IT AND USING THEM!!!!!!!!

THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

I never called you crazy, ignornat, or assine for wanting to find out more information on your products.

And now I am the bad guy becaue I had this '' in my post!

Good luck with whatever is going on with you.


ps. Mini552 I am not picking on you......I thought your post was funny. I am in no means trying to drag you into this.

 

For F#%K sake I need a life. :impatient

 

what makes this a little difficult is hat different peole have different tolerances. Some people are highly effected by news print, peanuts and other things that are harmless to most etc.... hemlock and snake venom are also natural.

 

Guys, guys... I think she has a very valid concern... let's all remember that we're Motoring fans for God's sake - we're better than that!

Going the route of Material Data sheets is likely the best way to go - I'd definietly contact the manufacturer directly, though for such things, as they might be limited from posting such data on a public forum (for legal or trade secret reasons). I'm reasonably certain that they have to maintain sheets on any substance that's been deemed hazardous, even if they don't make a practice of posting them publically (such as Meguiars seems to do).

In a world where pregnant woman are told to not clean the cat box because of potentially hazardous bacteria and to avoid even small ammounts of alcohol due to fetal alcohol syndrome, I don't think she's being alarmist AT ALL to be concerned about this. That said, even IF they materials in the products are unlikely to cause harm, the stress that worrying about them causes is probably damaging as well - sounds like you're well justified in simply avoiding detailing chemicals altogether during your pregnancy.

I'd also check with your pre-natal caregiver as well - after all, it's their JOB to know what classes of food and other substances to avoid during pregnancy...

 

Good Lord!!!

 

yah, and all this time no one is pregnant....

 

Probably because all us detailing product users have been rendered impotent by exposure to toxic substances God I love this thread