Remove Epic
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Haha, you'll have to obsess a little longer!! LOL. My little 50x lens isn't enough to show this--but I plan to be adding new lenses soon--100x will hopefully do it, or maybe 200x, lol.
Richard
Richard
Simple, perhaps, but proper in OCD terms? Hardly. 
I did find one soap that removes Epic (and most other things) completely. P21S Total Auto Wash will strip really well, but at $20 a little pricey when compared to alcohol. It does do a great job on tires though so may be justifiable.
I just feel better knowing that I'm shearing bonded contaminates at paint level vs wax level.
OG, use your fancy-smancy opticalscopeifier and prove to us once & for all that clay removes wax. And while you are at it prove that clay will remove the same crud if the wax is there or has been stripped. Help me stop obsessing if you please.
I did find one soap that removes Epic (and most other things) completely. P21S Total Auto Wash will strip really well, but at $20 a little pricey when compared to alcohol. It does do a great job on tires though so may be justifiable.
I just feel better knowing that I'm shearing bonded contaminates at paint level vs wax level.
OG, use your fancy-smancy opticalscopeifier and prove to us once & for all that clay removes wax. And while you are at it prove that clay will remove the same crud if the wax is there or has been stripped. Help me stop obsessing if you please.
Of course not... they're still there, because you can feel them.
But, because they were on TOP of the Epic... the fact that your clay is sliding around on top of the "clean" Epic and shearing off the contaminants on TOP of the Epic should suffice, no?
And this is all pretty silly... because the contaminants we're talking about are probably MANY times thicker than the coat of sealant on the car...
Simple, perhaps, but proper in OCD terms? Hardly.
I did find one soap that removes Epic (and most other things) completely. P21S Total Auto Wash will strip really well, but at $20 a little pricey when compared to alcohol. It does do a great job on tires though so may be justifiable.
I just feel better knowing that I'm shearing bonded contaminates at paint level vs wax level.
OG, use your fancy-smancy opticalscopeifier and prove to us once & for all that clay removes wax. And while you are at it prove that clay will remove the same crud if the wax is there or has been stripped. Help me stop obsessing if you please.
I did find one soap that removes Epic (and most other things) completely. P21S Total Auto Wash will strip really well, but at $20 a little pricey when compared to alcohol. It does do a great job on tires though so may be justifiable.
I just feel better knowing that I'm shearing bonded contaminates at paint level vs wax level.
OG, use your fancy-smancy opticalscopeifier and prove to us once & for all that clay removes wax. And while you are at it prove that clay will remove the same crud if the wax is there or has been stripped. Help me stop obsessing if you please.
) and polishing was no big deal.
yah, it is true that polish doesn't work well over old wax from my
experience as well. with OG, i think he has some special techniques or
sauces or strip down dance
that makes the wax just fling off with
the polish.
experience as well. with OG, i think he has some special techniques or
sauces or strip down dance
that makes the wax just fling off with the polish.
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I should have been more clear; I first polish with M7 and then apply a coat or two of M26. You certainly guessed correctly about the little bumps. My car sits for 10 hours a day at work out in the open about 3 miles away (and right under the flight path) of a rather busy airport.
As for the post regarding Amigo removing Epic; I'll hunt it down a bit later this week. There are 133 posts to read with the search criteria I used.
Thanks for the tip not removing Epic...got it. Remove the crud and hit it again with Epic to add more protection. Only need to go down a bit further if you need to polish up again, then Epic again.
As for the post regarding Amigo removing Epic; I'll hunt it down a bit later this week. There are 133 posts to read with the search criteria I used.
Thanks for the tip not removing Epic...got it. Remove the crud and hit it again with Epic to add more protection. Only need to go down a bit further if you need to polish up again, then Epic again.
I think you're making some incorrect assumptions here.
First of all #7 is a pure polish that has no protection (Show Car Glaze). It's a glaze that adds shine and gloss but washes off unless sealed with a wax. #26 is Meguiar's High Tech Carnauba Wax which is a fancy term for a liquid wax that's not all that high tech, lol. It's also not known for its durability.
Epic is a synthetic polymer wax that should yield around 6 to 8 months of protection depending on environmental factors. Is the car garaged or does it sit outside everynight? How often is it washed? Etc.. Those are all factors that will reduce the longevity. Do you use Hydro on every wash? That will increase durability.
If you're feeling bumps on your paint after a few weeks it sounds like either your car isn't garaged or you live/work in an area with a lot of airborne contaminants.
Please show me the link that says a wash followed by Amigo removes Epic??
I have to differ with Minimaybee--Epic and any synthetic wax can be removed, or atleast degraded in part, enough to make a difference by several washings with Dawn. Just wash it with Dawn and watch the water beading after rinsing. Soap it up again, and rinse it off. Each time you repeat this, watch how the water beading changes. Is the lack of water beading a sure sign that the protection is gone?? Not necessarily but after 3 washings, the water will change from tight beads to huge random pools of water--the paint won't be slick anymore--in fact you can feel more friction under your wash mitt the more times you repeat the soaping process.
But as for the OP, you don't need to remove Epic to add more protection. Just clay the paint to remove the contaminants on the wax and rewax.
Richard
First of all #7 is a pure polish that has no protection (Show Car Glaze). It's a glaze that adds shine and gloss but washes off unless sealed with a wax. #26 is Meguiar's High Tech Carnauba Wax which is a fancy term for a liquid wax that's not all that high tech, lol. It's also not known for its durability.
Epic is a synthetic polymer wax that should yield around 6 to 8 months of protection depending on environmental factors. Is the car garaged or does it sit outside everynight? How often is it washed? Etc.. Those are all factors that will reduce the longevity. Do you use Hydro on every wash? That will increase durability.
If you're feeling bumps on your paint after a few weeks it sounds like either your car isn't garaged or you live/work in an area with a lot of airborne contaminants.
Please show me the link that says a wash followed by Amigo removes Epic??
I have to differ with Minimaybee--Epic and any synthetic wax can be removed, or atleast degraded in part, enough to make a difference by several washings with Dawn. Just wash it with Dawn and watch the water beading after rinsing. Soap it up again, and rinse it off. Each time you repeat this, watch how the water beading changes. Is the lack of water beading a sure sign that the protection is gone?? Not necessarily but after 3 washings, the water will change from tight beads to huge random pools of water--the paint won't be slick anymore--in fact you can feel more friction under your wash mitt the more times you repeat the soaping process.
But as for the OP, you don't need to remove Epic to add more protection. Just clay the paint to remove the contaminants on the wax and rewax.
Richard
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Hello OctaneGuy,
You were looking for the post where I saw that somebody suggested Amigo would remove Epic. Check out MiniMaybee's post from 4-17-2008 at 4:45 PM in the following post:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...highlight=epic
You were looking for the post where I saw that somebody suggested Amigo would remove Epic. Check out MiniMaybee's post from 4-17-2008 at 4:45 PM in the following post:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...highlight=epic
I think you're making some incorrect assumptions here.
First of all #7 is a pure polish that has no protection (Show Car Glaze). It's a glaze that adds shine and gloss but washes off unless sealed with a wax. #26 is Meguiar's High Tech Carnauba Wax which is a fancy term for a liquid wax that's not all that high tech, lol. It's also not known for its durability.
Epic is a synthetic polymer wax that should yield around 6 to 8 months of protection depending on environmental factors. Is the car garaged or does it sit outside everynight? How often is it washed? Etc.. Those are all factors that will reduce the longevity. Do you use Hydro on every wash? That will increase durability.
If you're feeling bumps on your paint after a few weeks it sounds like either your car isn't garaged or you live/work in an area with a lot of airborne contaminants.
Please show me the link that says a wash followed by Amigo removes Epic??
I have to differ with Minimaybee--Epic and any synthetic wax can be removed, or atleast degraded in part, enough to make a difference by several washings with Dawn. Just wash it with Dawn and watch the water beading after rinsing. Soap it up again, and rinse it off. Each time you repeat this, watch how the water beading changes. Is the lack of water beading a sure sign that the protection is gone?? Not necessarily but after 3 washings, the water will change from tight beads to huge random pools of water--the paint won't be slick anymore--in fact you can feel more friction under your wash mitt the more times you repeat the soaping process.
But as for the OP, you don't need to remove Epic to add more protection. Just clay the paint to remove the contaminants on the wax and rewax.
Richard
First of all #7 is a pure polish that has no protection (Show Car Glaze). It's a glaze that adds shine and gloss but washes off unless sealed with a wax. #26 is Meguiar's High Tech Carnauba Wax which is a fancy term for a liquid wax that's not all that high tech, lol. It's also not known for its durability.
Epic is a synthetic polymer wax that should yield around 6 to 8 months of protection depending on environmental factors. Is the car garaged or does it sit outside everynight? How often is it washed? Etc.. Those are all factors that will reduce the longevity. Do you use Hydro on every wash? That will increase durability.
If you're feeling bumps on your paint after a few weeks it sounds like either your car isn't garaged or you live/work in an area with a lot of airborne contaminants.
Please show me the link that says a wash followed by Amigo removes Epic??
I have to differ with Minimaybee--Epic and any synthetic wax can be removed, or atleast degraded in part, enough to make a difference by several washings with Dawn. Just wash it with Dawn and watch the water beading after rinsing. Soap it up again, and rinse it off. Each time you repeat this, watch how the water beading changes. Is the lack of water beading a sure sign that the protection is gone?? Not necessarily but after 3 washings, the water will change from tight beads to huge random pools of water--the paint won't be slick anymore--in fact you can feel more friction under your wash mitt the more times you repeat the soaping process.
But as for the OP, you don't need to remove Epic to add more protection. Just clay the paint to remove the contaminants on the wax and rewax.
Richard
Hello OctaneGuy,
You were looking for the post where I saw that somebody suggested Amigo would remove Epic. Check out MiniMaybee's post from 4-17-2008 at 4:45 PM in the following post:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...highlight=epic
You were looking for the post where I saw that somebody suggested Amigo would remove Epic. Check out MiniMaybee's post from 4-17-2008 at 4:45 PM in the following post:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...highlight=epic
Hey, that sounds like me or perhaps my evil twin Marcus. 
I stand by that statement since I was told as much from Nick at DP. Amigo has cleaners in it that will in fact remove Epic. Anybody says differently is a low-down, Tide-washing, sponge-using liar (unless I'm wrong).
I stand by that statement since I was told as much from Nick at DP. Amigo has cleaners in it that will in fact remove Epic. Anybody says differently is a low-down, Tide-washing, sponge-using liar (unless I'm wrong).
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The only problem with pulling out Chucks post like that is that you need to KEEP reading the thread where Heather comments on it and says it:
[POST 23]
Depending on how much of a durable synthetic wax (ie Epic) is left on the paint at the time, it's possible that a good paint cleanser polish (like Amigo) will remove what wax is left.
Then in [POST 26]
I try to confuse things more with Heather, and she doesn't respond, lol, where I asked whether Amigo is removing or adding protection due to the polymers inside of it.....
Richard
[POST 23]
Depending on how much of a durable synthetic wax (ie Epic) is left on the paint at the time, it's possible that a good paint cleanser polish (like Amigo) will remove what wax is left.
Then in [POST 26]
I try to confuse things more with Heather, and she doesn't respond, lol, where I asked whether Amigo is removing or adding protection due to the polymers inside of it.....
Richard
Hello OctaneGuy,
You were looking for the post where I saw that somebody suggested Amigo would remove Epic. Check out MiniMaybee's post from 4-17-2008 at 4:45 PM in the following post:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...highlight=epic
You were looking for the post where I saw that somebody suggested Amigo would remove Epic. Check out MiniMaybee's post from 4-17-2008 at 4:45 PM in the following post:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...highlight=epic
You shall stop dragging these fine young ladies through the mud, varmint.
Last edited by BlimeyCabrio; Jun 5, 2008 at 05:09 AM.
I don't mind the degrading stereotype Blondie in a bikini, but why perpetuate the car wash sponge technique for crying out loud! Would it have killed them to use a wool mitt or a microfiber?