I agree that an asthetic decision was made regarding the MINI color on the hats, the color of the MINI is also part of our logo.

It's not a big issue - but it is important to raise and remember by modifying the logo to create a piece of swag, it begins to dilute the power of the DCMM Logo and ultimately the Club.

Still think the hats look nice and I'm looking forward to getting mine.

 

Yes you did. I have it, or actually I think it is with Edge at the moment. I had it in a bag of hats at the Rappa run. If you aren't going to the Naked run, I will mail it to you.

So, you are saying that we are NEVER allowed to make ANY kind of different designs? That is a rather poor request. I don't want EVERYTHING I have from DCMM to be the same! I like having variety! I think the rest of the world likes variety...if not, we would ALL have the SAME car, the SAME color, the SAME clothes, the SAME whatever.

Along the same lines, if you look at the MAIN DCMM logo, the MINI is NOT blue! It is red, white, and blue with stars and stripes. In a design this small, the blue mini faded in with the flags, and really didn't look good. And forget attempting to do a red,white, and blue MINI with a design that small. I am sorry if you don't like the green. I think it makes it very nice, and different, nothing taking away from the club. I don't see a problem

 

It's just fine..

 

ya know... now i'm also wanting a blue and khaki hat...
yup... i'm obsessed with my MINIs

 

I see you are still Krutting things up.

 

Look Kurt, I know Donna's not happy with her hat and that's why you asked the question in the 1st place. She PMmed me, and I suggested she email Stacey, since this project was started before I became president. I'm not sure why you became involved.
The logo is neither trademarked nor does it have a copyright, so any change can be made. There is no "violation" of the logo, nor does changing the color of the car "dilute" the "power" of the logo or the club. That's a ridiculous statement.
The original logo MINI wasn't even in the design for the hats.

If she and Mike are unhappy, perhaps a refund can be worked out. They seem to be the only ones who aren't happy with the hats. I suggest they deal directly with Stacey instead of using a go-between.

 

don't feed the fire, please.

 

So am I not allowed to agree with her that the hat looks odd not being blue?

Also, I really take offense to what you've stated about the club logo - does that mean you're going to allow someone to create their own swag and modify the logo to their hearts content?

I seem to recall that we had a big discussion about NOT giving the logo to people that wanted to create their own grille badges specifically because we wanted to protect the club's logo from exactly this type of modification.

 

no, you should be a good member and do what Stacey wants Kurt.

 

I didn't say that. At some point this year, the logo will be copyrighted for the very reason you state.
What I object to is that just because one or 2 people don't like a green car on their hats, this whole kerfuffle about the logo ensues. It's on one item, and I really had nothing to do with the hats, the design or the green car.
I'm not quite sure what Donna expected me to do...I'm sorry if she doesn't like the hat. Not much personally I can do about it.
You can agree or disagree...

 

Yes we did and it was discussed via the Board. You and whomever has problems with the logo that are on the hats had time to say something about it. I didn't hear anything about the logo. The original MINI was blue and everyone was fine with it. Now that it is green, there is a minor issue. Like Stacey said, the DCMM logo MINI is VERY different than what was on the hats and is what is on the hats.


Actually I am the SWAG person, so if somebody wants to complain, they can PM me.

IMO, this is just Kruttin' ridiculous. I also have other thoughts about this that I really can't share here.

 

my wife would like these please:

 

Lets not get carried away here.

 

right. why stop now?

 

Well, I guess because we have an ISSUE with what is and what is NOT our logo, maybe we should stop.

I know Jay wants to stop in our escapades for some new DCMM stuff. I guess the disappointment of one or two people will ruin it for the rest of us.

 

or the creative license of one person would certainly be a better scapegoat than those you've tried to use. just sayin...

 

Huh? what kind of scapegoat are you jabbering about? There wasn't any kind of goat scaping about here!

 

you are blaming Kurt and Donna for 'ruining it'. Once again, the respect for a dissenting opinion in DCMM = nada.

 

Okay - since I see my name being thrown around here, I'll pipe in.

I've been swamped at work and haven't had time to post much.

Here's the deal...........Okay - maybe I AM the only one who was dissappointed when the hats came. Only because in the ORIGINAL thread, a BLUE MINI was shown and when the hats were received, the MINI was GREEN.

Yes - I PM'd Kurt to find out if ALL the hats came with Green MINIs - yes they did. Since he is no longer the Pres, I sent Katie a PM and simply asked if it was a mistake because I ASSUMED that I was getting hats with a BLUE MINI on them, which is what I paid for. She suggested I sent an email to Stacey which I have not done, because I haven't had time. She asked me if the Logo was copyrighted or trademarked - not that I know of. However, it is my understanding that when a Logo is designed and used, it's not supposed to be changed. Maybe I am wrong.

Yes - I expressed that I was not happy with the GREEN MINI and that I would either ask for a refund or see if it could be fixed, swapped out, or whatever. If not, we'll keep them in our MINI collection of stuff.

So since this is now PUBLIC, I'll just say it, I don't like the GREEN MINI on the logo because that IS NOT the Logo. The hats are nice - and I know a lot of work went into them and I appreciate that. But the fact that a decision was made about changing the color without any discussion with the people that ordered them - that is my beef. How would people feel if for example, if hat's came with PURPLE, PINK, or some other color that most males would not wear? Just using those colors as an example for clarification purposes only.

Sorry.......had to say what I feel. If it pisses anybody off....well so be it.

Donna

 

I am not blaming anyone, what I am getting at is that it was changed to make the logo work. In hindsight, I should have posted that the color was going to change. The logo with the blue MINI just didn't work, so COOPERation and I started talking about changing the color. I was the one that decided on the color change to green.

In the future, I will post any changes that are made regarding swag.

What pissed me of was what Krut posted about the logo, which actually, is not used on the hats to be technical. It is a variation of the logo.

If I/MINInurse received a PM about this, than we could have answered that. What I also don't understand is I am the one organizing the order, why PM Katie and not me? That doesn't make any sense.

A different opinion has always been welcome. Perhaps it is the the presenter or the way it is presented that doesn't seem to work.

 

I have three points I want to make here:

1. Yes, the board discussed the color change, and agreed with it, once it was brought to our attention that the blue MINI wouldn't look good. I too was sad about losing the blue MINI (you won't find a more blue-obsessed MINI owner here on NAM than me!), but I accepted it because I didn't want the logo to be poorly defined (as a dark blue MINI with black outlines would... in embroidery).
2. Yes, we could have done a better job communicating the change to the members before the order was actually processed, giving people a chance to cancel their order at that time. Jay has already posted to that effect above, so pressing that point any further now would be beating a dead horse.
3. The point of the "official" DCMM logo being a blue MINI is simply not true. It's fair to say that you don't like the color change, especially without prior notification. It's not fair to claim the originally proposed design was the "official" DCMM logo... because THIS is the official logo:

Funny, that MINI isn't blue either. It's the USA flag.

So please, at least aim your discontent at the right target, which is lack of full communication, and NOT some imagined change from official color to non-official color. It was never the complete, official logo, nor would that have been possible with embroidery anyway. There's more red and white on the official MINI than there is blue. No green, true... but it still wasn't an "official" logo to begin with.

So what would have been a better MINI color choice than blue, if blue didn't look right? Solid red? Solid white?

Again, neither of those would have been "official" either... but I have to ask, would either of those colors been acceptable to those who didn't like the green?

I'm keeping mine. Thanks Stacey and Jay for all your hard work. Without both of your initiative, we wouldn't be getting any of this cool swag we've had since you both joined the club.

 

Okay - so now that we've all aired our issues, call me a "whatever" but I would like to formally ask for my money back, because what I got was NOT what I ordered.

At least the BLUE MINI on the ORIGINAL thread order was closer to the DCMM Logo than the GREEN one that came.

As a Manager, one thing I learned MANY years ago, is that Communication is key in any situation....................

Some people may be pissed at me and think - geez, what's the big deal here? I've already stated above in my other post

Donna

 

Donna - request noted. We (the DCMM board) will get back to you.I almost forgot about this topic.

I am in possession of the following DCMM hats:

CooperCops x 2 (one blue, one tan/khaki)
MMatarella (black)
Hammerette (black)
<no name> (tan/khaki)

That's it. Not sure where Christian MD is.

 

Uhh Ohh.... your being very, very bad. The DCMM Logo is a sacred object that must be protected at all costs!

....at least that's what was implied back during the magnetic badge fiasco.

I guess if its a board member that arbitrarily changes it, then its allowed.

All of that aside, I still like my hat!

 

I am VERY grateful to JUSTJay and MINInurse for the shirt, badges, etc... I'd be grateful to ANYONE who is willing to take on the task of arranging for this stuff.

But, I want to ask the Board to please consider loosening up on the monopoly that has all the appearances of being in place when it comes to our swag.

We've been told in pretty clear terms, that "Only a member of the Board can order "Official" swag. Members are not permitted to use the artwork to produce said swag. All design work is commissioned and selected by the same board members.....

THIS IS NOT CRITICISM OF MININURSE AND JUSTJAY! HECK, IF NOT FOR THEM, WE WOULDN"T HAVE ANYTHING!!

I just think that the Board could choose to put a structure in place that would allow members to bring these projects forward and manage them with Board supervision.