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Zamirz and ChrisW, you guys do realize you are driving a MINI right? Yes, a MINI with a 19% pulley and other mods that get you 4 more whp, is still a MINI. Some high school kid in an SRT Neon can blow your doors off...

People take their rides way too seriously.

 

Unless you want to help pay for a new city hall, save the money, skip the tickets, buy a MC and put the aero kit on it. It will look as good or better than any MCS. I have an aero kit and I continue to get compliments every day.

 

It's because power in the MCS is so easily obtained... not the case with the MC.

On the street is where it really matters...even the inexperienced can make use of the extra power in everyday driving situations. Having lots of reserve power is very useful for street driving... advantage... MCS

 

Ahh, But power means nothing unless you know how to handle it.

 

good thing we know how to

 

I find these discussions funny. I really don't know how fast some of you MCS people drive, but I drive fast enough to wear off a set of tires in 15000 miles and I've reached the top speed of the Cooper more than a handful of times. Seriously, unless you treat the speed limit as something that totally does not exist, how fast can you drive?

I like how I can do highway speeds on an on ramp in the Cooper, that way I don't even need to accelerate onto the highway. Sure, more power is nice... but for what? Go 120mph in a 60 zone?

Oh and I compensate for the tire wear by averaging 33mpg life time driving 90% city.

 

I am a big fan of power, like a swimming pool in your back yard you can use it when you want. I found the MC rather mundane and average, but equally as nice as the MCS JCW I got except with the added power.I admit I am a power addict and should start a 12 step program. Here is my latest addtion of power. Audi S8. Buckets of power

 

The S8 went to a V10?!?:impatient Anyways, I dont feel that my Cooper is "mundane" to say the least. I love my car to the max BUT I will be upgrading to a bigger and better powerplant. Shoot...I have killed my 3-series a couple of tiimes.

 

These arguments about Cooper vs S become retarded so quickly.

 

It's not how fast you drive.. but how long it takes you to drive fast.. That's the thrill the extra power brings.. It can be more than just thrills... street driving demands torque at times to make the necessary moves... The MCS has the extra torque when you need it.. Power is nice to have in reserve...

 

Why? Wrong side of the arguement? Why bother posting?

 

These arguements are simply excuses for SOME S owners to become asses.

I personally know myself. I am glad that I do not have an S because I would be driving through the city at 100mph. I had my friend's mustang svt with 380 hp stock for a weekend, and guess what...I was going down the highway at 150 most of the time. Some people also do not use that amount of power. It is only worth it to get an S if you are going to use it...(relatively) responsibly. The MC is definitely quick enough. I can pass people on the highway very easily...sure I have to downshift, but I can still do it. I have 4th gear well past 90mph. That works very nicely. Where you really notice lack of power is past 100...or if you are going uphill over 90.

If you want to mod...well to get a lot of power out of a cooper...you can look at spending $5000 easily...Plus, you have to spend that money for the engine to (reliably) take a turbo or NOS. In an S, it's relatively cheap until you get to the head/cam.

 

Unfortunately, not at the low end, and I would have gotten the S if it did. In this respect the 2007 S looks very interesting as the spec says it reaches max torque at 1600 rpm.

 

Or SOME Cooper owners to make a condescending remark about S owners to make themselves feel better for buying a car that's so obviously lacking.

I don't have a problem with the Cooper. People who buy them, do so for a reason, but it's comical to suggest that given the opportunity to get an S with everything else being equal, they'd turn it down. Or for whatever reason, all of us Cooper S owners are stuck in some never-ending disappointment at the hp our cars make.

 

No matter if I drive a Cooper or an S (I proudly drive a Cooper Cabrio) the tone of this thread has spiraled to a place that is contrary to the spirit of these forums and MINI ownership in general. If you drive an S and love it, I'm happy for you and those like you. I drive a Cooper and love it, so be happy for me and those like me. This "mine is better than yours" talk belongs in the Nissan Sentra and Honda Civic forums.

 

Not true.. there is a bit of off-idle lag.. but anything after that is almost immediate... and thats in stock form. A reduction pulley reduces off-idle lag to almost nothing... Thats the beauty of a SC... it provides almost instant boost. Don't forget.. that there is plenty of torque below max torque rpm...

 

I second that.
As a new Mini owner this thread is showing me another side of what I thought was a common love of all things Mini, among Mini owners on NAM.

 

I'm sure S owners are welcome to post their opinions here in the non-S forum, but the original poster wanted Cooper owners' feedback: are we satisfied with the power?

 

It's all personal taste/requirements. Of course I understand that some people want more power, that's why they get a MCS, some want more power than that and go for a Corvette, SRT-4, WRX, whatever.

Personally I find the power in the Cooper not "lacking", but just enough not to feel slow to me. I find it exceedingly easy to go over any speed limit here in Canada, and found very few situations where more torque could help me get any where faster. Other than trying to pass another car on a two lane highway at more than 70mph taking more time than in a MCS, I don't find the car "lacking" in power. If you want more power that's your choice, but for me, I like to keep close to the speed limits most of the time, save fuel, have a fun light weight car to drive, so a Cooper fits me just fine Sure I need to downshift and be in the correct gear all the time if I want acceleration, but that's not so hard to do. If I'm so lazy about shifting to the right gear I would have gotten something with more low end torque than an MCS with an auto tranny. But thats my opinion

 

I am not a Cooper hater... If you read my posts... I was just stating my preference and what I find "necessary" for the way I drive. I tried the cooper... but I prefered the MCS. Please undestand... my last car was a Z06 and I had 2 previous corvettes before that. So I am a torque junkie... My MCS is lacking too.... believe me.. It's all what your used to...
I liked the Cooper for its purity... less complex and it felt more balanced.. but I need a potent zip fix.... so I went with the MCS...

Peace... out

 

<< Why? Wrong side of the arguement? Why bother posting? >>

This is basically what I am talking about. There is no 'wrong' side of the 'argument' (it's a discussion). If we like our cars, whichever ones we have, great, but disparaging remarks are unnecessary and not what the majority want here. I think that is a safe assumption to make.

 

Well heck, they are all Coopers aren't they? At least that was my assumption when I posted my preferences.

Anyway, MINI_Bee and VonZipper are both correct. This thread quickly became retarded and contrary to the spirit of the forums. Cripes, you could put an S and an MC side by side and most folks couldn't tell the difference. More cute, more masculine, more feminine - they look the same people. For various reasons we all decided what we wanted, and bought it. Why do we need to chop on someone else's choice?

 

A warning...test drives can be tricky, too!! There is no doubt that MCS power will push you back in the seat more than a Cooper. You can feel it...and it is cool!! However...just how fast does one need to get to that next traffic light? Answers will vary. I think some Cooper owners prefer the model right off the bat, but I think many of us really learn to appreciate it more and more over time. I enjoy the level of interactivity I get out of a Cooper...and it most closely matches my formative experiences motoring in small British sports cars. Others will rightly need/expect to feel that extra push!!! So there you go...it's a personal thing. If I were to stress one point it's that with MINIs things are not always as they appear at first glance....each model is very good in it's own right. Shockingly so!!! Knowing that up front may not make the decision-making process any easier, but it does open one up to possibilities and, once that final choice is made, a deeper appreciation of these fine cars regardless of model.

 

And remember, even if you posted it in the 'Cooper' forum, it doesn't stay there as the "Most Recent Posts" page, which is what I read, aggregates all forums into one 'Most Recent Posts' page....