Massive HP (MC non s)
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But if i had 14k laying around i would make something like this. 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...83229&q=vw+bug
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...83229&q=vw+bug
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I spoke to Adam at Mini Mania UK and Lisa from Wizards of NOS. They do a lot of work on NA Coopers in the UK because most Minis there are NA models due to insurance. They said the Cooper can handle a 30 to 50 shot. A progressive control unit would be a good idea, keeping reliability and smoother power delivery.
Iceman from this forum uses a 50 shot and he said he is on par with mid 90s Mustangs and S2000s.
Iceman from this forum uses a 50 shot and he said he is on par with mid 90s Mustangs and S2000s.
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A 50 shot isnt what i would call "massive" i bet if you changed internals and ECU tunning along with injectors, you could add alot more than just a 50 shot. I would try to build the engine with a 200 shot goal in mind. The great thing about NOS is you can cruse around with lower more reliable HP numbers and then when its time to get serious you got BIG HP at the push of a button. 
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Am I feeling placebo?
ENGINE MODIFICATIONS
Denso Iridium spark plugs, Magnecor KV85 Competition (8.5mm) ignition cables, Madness Twister Cold Air Intake, M7 58mm throttle body V.2, MTH high-performance manifold, OBX Racing Sports Exhaust
ENGINE MANAGEMENT
MTH tuning software
DRIVETRAIN MODIFICATIONS
Mini Mania UK Uprated gearbox, SPEC Stage 2 clutch, SPEC light weight flywheel, Rogue short shift kit
These are my engine/drivetrain mods...
I test drove a Cooper S, then got into my car, I swear the acceleration is pretty close if not the same... but what do I know, I'm just a bolt on boy
Where do you think I'm at now hp wise? Maybe because of the 200lb weight difference?
I'm a newb so you would know more. My first car.
I really like your Cooper by the way.
Denso Iridium spark plugs, Magnecor KV85 Competition (8.5mm) ignition cables, Madness Twister Cold Air Intake, M7 58mm throttle body V.2, MTH high-performance manifold, OBX Racing Sports Exhaust
ENGINE MANAGEMENT
MTH tuning software
DRIVETRAIN MODIFICATIONS
Mini Mania UK Uprated gearbox, SPEC Stage 2 clutch, SPEC light weight flywheel, Rogue short shift kit
These are my engine/drivetrain mods...
I test drove a Cooper S, then got into my car, I swear the acceleration is pretty close if not the same... but what do I know, I'm just a bolt on boy
Where do you think I'm at now hp wise? Maybe because of the 200lb weight difference?
I'm a newb so you would know more. My first car.
I really like your Cooper by the way.
Massive HP and Non-S in the same sentence is a joke. You can't do it with out spending 15k+. And I'm not just some snobby MCS owner trying to put you down. I am a Cooper owner who has been modding his cooper for over 4 years. No matter how much cash you put in, you wont get over 135 hp without a new tranny and a turbo.
At this point i even doubt you are at 130. I know someone who had the exact same mods and pulled a 110 on the dyno. 130 would be a huge stretch....30 hp from those mods is a dream. Do realize that although they say 115 stock....most stock coopers pull sub-100 dynos stock.
The one way to be faster than an MCS is to invest in Coilovers, camber plates, rear control arms, and a nice rear sway. With those mods combined with the mods you have....you will easily turn FAR faster times at the autocross track than most MCS's (atleast once you learn to competitively drive if you dont know already). I have those suspension mods + intake, exhaust, ECU, plug wires and many times i have finished above many stock MCS's and come in a second or two behind pullied MCS's with little suspension work done.
Check out the justacooper thread....there is more than one way to be faster than the MCS. And it doesnt involve ungraspable HP numbers.
At this point i even doubt you are at 130. I know someone who had the exact same mods and pulled a 110 on the dyno. 130 would be a huge stretch....30 hp from those mods is a dream. Do realize that although they say 115 stock....most stock coopers pull sub-100 dynos stock.
The one way to be faster than an MCS is to invest in Coilovers, camber plates, rear control arms, and a nice rear sway. With those mods combined with the mods you have....you will easily turn FAR faster times at the autocross track than most MCS's (atleast once you learn to competitively drive if you dont know already). I have those suspension mods + intake, exhaust, ECU, plug wires and many times i have finished above many stock MCS's and come in a second or two behind pullied MCS's with little suspension work done.
Check out the justacooper thread....there is more than one way to be faster than the MCS. And it doesnt involve ungraspable HP numbers.
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ENGINE MODIFICATIONS
Denso Iridium spark plugs, Magnecor KV85 Competition (8.5mm) ignition cables, Madness Twister Cold Air Intake, M7 58mm throttle body V.2, MTH high-performance manifold, OBX Racing Sports Exhaust
ENGINE MANAGEMENT
MTH tuning software
DRIVETRAIN MODIFICATIONS
Mini Mania UK Uprated gearbox, SPEC Stage 2 clutch, SPEC light weight flywheel, Rogue short shift kit
These are my engine/drivetrain mods...
I test drove a Cooper S, then got into my car, I swear the acceleration is pretty close if not the same... but what do I know, I'm just a bolt on boy
Where do you think I'm at now hp wise? Maybe because of the 200lb weight difference?
I'm a newb so you would know more. My first car.
I really like your Cooper by the way.
Denso Iridium spark plugs, Magnecor KV85 Competition (8.5mm) ignition cables, Madness Twister Cold Air Intake, M7 58mm throttle body V.2, MTH high-performance manifold, OBX Racing Sports Exhaust
ENGINE MANAGEMENT
MTH tuning software
DRIVETRAIN MODIFICATIONS
Mini Mania UK Uprated gearbox, SPEC Stage 2 clutch, SPEC light weight flywheel, Rogue short shift kit
These are my engine/drivetrain mods...
I test drove a Cooper S, then got into my car, I swear the acceleration is pretty close if not the same... but what do I know, I'm just a bolt on boy
Where do you think I'm at now hp wise? Maybe because of the 200lb weight difference?
I'm a newb so you would know more. My first car.
I really like your Cooper by the way.
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Comparison
Yeah he said the Neon 2.0 and the Mini's 1.6 is pretty similar... the layout looks pretty close! He said you probably can find one for 500 bucks. He told me to use my old tranny to see if it will bolt up to the engine.
Can't find a picture of a 2.0 but even a 2.4 looks pretty close...
Wow... that into a Mini!?!?!
We're not worthy! We're not worthy!
Can't find a picture of a 2.0 but even a 2.4 looks pretty close...
Wow... that into a Mini!?!?!We're not worthy! We're not worthy!
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Don't forget the 2.4 is found in the Stratus too (minus turbo, but cheaper than srt-4). Dodge even has a crate srt-4 motor for around $10K. In the neon world, to swap the 2.0 with the 2.4 is "about as straight forward as it gets..." to quote neons.org.
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Im sure it will fit...but you would have to get new motor mounts im guessing. Might have to remove some un-needed things from the engine bay area. might have to change intake/exhaust manifold if they stick out to much. might have to get a transmission adaptor made, or change trannys.
but if there is a will there is a way! and of course a large stack of dead presidents helps.
but if there is a will there is a way! and of course a large stack of dead presidents helps.
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ENGINE MODIFICATIONS
Denso Iridium spark plugs, Magnecor KV85 Competition (8.5mm) ignition cables, Madness Twister Cold Air Intake, M7 58mm throttle body V.2, MTH high-performance manifold, OBX Racing Sports Exhaust
ENGINE MANAGEMENT
MTH tuning software
DRIVETRAIN MODIFICATIONS
Mini Mania UK Uprated gearbox, SPEC Stage 2 clutch, SPEC light weight flywheel, Rogue short shift kit
These are my engine/drivetrain mods...
I test drove a Cooper S, then got into my car, I swear the acceleration is pretty close if not the same... but what do I know, I'm just a bolt on boy
Where do you think I'm at now hp wise? Maybe because of the 200lb weight difference?
I'm a newb so you would know more. My first car.
I really like your Cooper by the way.
Denso Iridium spark plugs, Magnecor KV85 Competition (8.5mm) ignition cables, Madness Twister Cold Air Intake, M7 58mm throttle body V.2, MTH high-performance manifold, OBX Racing Sports Exhaust
ENGINE MANAGEMENT
MTH tuning software
DRIVETRAIN MODIFICATIONS
Mini Mania UK Uprated gearbox, SPEC Stage 2 clutch, SPEC light weight flywheel, Rogue short shift kit
These are my engine/drivetrain mods...
I test drove a Cooper S, then got into my car, I swear the acceleration is pretty close if not the same... but what do I know, I'm just a bolt on boy
Where do you think I'm at now hp wise? Maybe because of the 200lb weight difference?
I'm a newb so you would know more. My first car.
I really like your Cooper by the way.
They are two very different cars with very different characteristics. The lightness and engine of the cooper really do make it a blast to drive, and the SC of the MCS really makes it powerful. I think that a modded MC can be just as fun as any MCS out there.....even without 15k of parts.
I would guess (I'm no professional by any means) around 115-120 maybe?
Another good topic for this thread is wheels. To further the peppiness of the cooper...think about 15 inch ligthweight wheels with 205/50 tires. This combo is not only much lighter, but it also helps you with gearing to increase acceleration due to shorter tire diameter (although lowering top speed possibilities). Our cars already benefit from its lightness...might as well take advantage of that
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Help me fill in the blanks?
MCS Motor swap: ?
MCS 02-04 non LSD tranny: $1100
CP Pistons: $850
ARP Head Studs: $200
Clutch And flywheel: $1300
Apexi AFC: $200
550CC injectors: ?
Turbo Manifold: $1100
GT3071R Internal gated: $1200
FMIC with intercooler piping: $2500
Direct Port Nitrous: $1000
Return style fuel system: $600
BOV: $200
Adapter plate TB to Intake Manifold: $200
End result: easily attainable 500whp... way over 300whp on pump gas...
And of course you have the "Free" hp... Loose all the interior except for driver and passenger seats and driver side carpet.
MCS Motor swap: ?
MCS 02-04 non LSD tranny: $1100
CP Pistons: $850
ARP Head Studs: $200
Clutch And flywheel: $1300
Apexi AFC: $200
550CC injectors: ?
Turbo Manifold: $1100
GT3071R Internal gated: $1200
FMIC with intercooler piping: $2500
Direct Port Nitrous: $1000
Return style fuel system: $600
BOV: $200
Adapter plate TB to Intake Manifold: $200
End result: easily attainable 500whp... way over 300whp on pump gas...
And of course you have the "Free" hp... Loose all the interior except for driver and passenger seats and driver side carpet.
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man... that just put me into a deep depression. So companies like Mini-Madness that quotes hp # for performance package is BSing me?
example:
Stage 1 - 135hp
Stage 2 - 140hp
Stage 3 - 155hp
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Maybe I should try a dyno run...
how much is it approximately?
Maybe I should try a dyno run...
how much is it approximately?
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Maybe I should try a dyno run...
how much is it approximately?
Maybe I should try a dyno run...
how much is it approximately?
It's not like you could do anything about it if your car is making less power is it...
The Stage 3 Kit has a few more mods that should bump up the power vs. just the basics from this list which o/p's 130ish hp.
ENGINE:
- Screamin' Demon coil pack
- Magnecor coil wires
- Supersprint race exhaust (no resonator)
- Royal Purple full synthetic 10w30 oil
- Spec 2 clutch
- Spec 8.5 lb lightened flywheel
- PROMINI CAI
- MOSSMINI airhorns
- MTH ECU software
- PROMINI shortshifter
- Tach mounted oil pressure/oil temperature gauges
- RDR Racing radiator
- Cobalt heavy duty skid plate
I would talk w/ George at Mini-Madness before you come to the conclusion that he is BSing. Give him a call and see what he has to say.
A local garage which as seen ALOT of MINIs took a MC and slapped a turbo on it. With very little boost (I believe 6psi) he is pushing over 300whp.
The shop is Lucky Dog Garage, you might want to give John there a call.
The shop is Lucky Dog Garage, you might want to give John there a call.
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A local garage which as seen ALOT of MINIs took a MC and slapped a turbo on it. With very little boost (I believe 6psi) he is pushing over 300whp.
The shop is Lucky Dog Garage, you might want to give John there a call.
The shop is Lucky Dog Garage, you might want to give John there a call.
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A local garage which as seen ALOT of MINIs took a MC and slapped a turbo on it. With very little boost (I believe 6psi) he is pushing over 300whp.
The shop is Lucky Dog Garage, you might want to give John there a call.
The shop is Lucky Dog Garage, you might want to give John there a call.
If thats true, that is incredibly impresive. I would love to get more information on that. Not because I work at Helix, simply because I didn't think that much power on that little boost could be had out of a Cooper.
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yah you cant really trust their numbers.....although like i said, I'm no professional, i could easily be wrong
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You would be suprised. Spools around 4500. Now a gt35 would be a little too large. If I could find a manifold that had a T3 flange I would with a gt3076r. It supports over 500.
