200 WHP is it possible?
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Originally Posted by DrDiff
I might be going about this the hard way.. My goal is 200whp on a MINI Cooper. I don't want a Super charger Far too easy. Nitrous is also out. I want to teach those MCS people to respect the MC!
Does anyone think that this is possible? Intake, Bigger Throttle body, Exhaust header and cat back, Bore and stroker Pistons? Port the head?
Thanks in advance
Does anyone think that this is possible? Intake, Bigger Throttle body, Exhaust header and cat back, Bore and stroker Pistons? Port the head?
Thanks in advance
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Hey, best of luck! I'll see you from my rearview....
Originally Posted by DrDiff
I might be going about this the hard way.. My goal is ALL MOTOR 200 whp on a MINI Cooper. I don't want a super charger, that's far too easy. Nitrous is also out. A turbo is an exhaust driven super charger. So it is out I want to teach those MCS people to respect the MC!
Does anyone think that this is possible? Intake, Bigger Throttle body, Exhaust header and cat back, Bore and stroker Pistons? Port the head?
Thanks in advance
Does anyone think that this is possible? Intake, Bigger Throttle body, Exhaust header and cat back, Bore and stroker Pistons? Port the head?
Thanks in advance
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Originally Posted by DrDiff
I might be going about this the hard way
Originally Posted by DrDiff
Does anyone think that this is possible? Intake, Bigger Throttle body, Exhaust header and cat back, Bore and stroker Pistons? Port the head?
Even the S folks have to work hard (aka spend $$) to get 200WHP!
You've already posted to this thread, so you know the challenges.
But hey, mod away and enjoy yourself!
BTW, this S owner respects the Cooper. It just doesn't have as much HP.
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Even the S folks have to work hard (aka spend $$) to get 200WHP!
You've already posted to this thread, so you know the challenges.
I love a challenge and hate to be told "no" but unless you are just fixated......I would sell your Cooper and buy a used "S". I think you are in for one very expensive experience......this is one I would walk away from. "Pick your battles carefully" - paraphrase from the "The Art of War" Sun Tzu
You've already posted to this thread, so you know the challenges.
I love a challenge and hate to be told "no" but unless you are just fixated......I would sell your Cooper and buy a used "S". I think you are in for one very expensive experience......this is one I would walk away from. "Pick your battles carefully" - paraphrase from the "The Art of War" Sun Tzu
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Here's some hp/liter numbers for you, you would need 125 hp/l to get your 200 out of the 1.6.
300 hp/l any F1 engine
183 hp/l Yamaha YZF-R1
142 hp/l Audi RS4 (turbo)
120 hp/l Honda S2000
112 hp/l Lambo Miura
108 hp/l Ferrari Enzo
So, your number is higher than any production naturally-aspirated car, with a SOHC head in the MINI. Clearly it can be done, with sufficient funds, but possibly not with the MINI engine.
300 hp/l any F1 engine
183 hp/l Yamaha YZF-R1
142 hp/l Audi RS4 (turbo)
120 hp/l Honda S2000
112 hp/l Lambo Miura
108 hp/l Ferrari Enzo
So, your number is higher than any production naturally-aspirated car, with a SOHC head in the MINI. Clearly it can be done, with sufficient funds, but possibly not with the MINI engine.
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Try www.theoldone.com, ENDYN has experience with the S, but they may be able to help with the Cooper. They take a systems approach to improving power and efficiency.
But make sure you do your homework before you call so that you can clearly communicate what your goals are.
Good luck! Its a worthy goal.
But make sure you do your homework before you call so that you can clearly communicate what your goals are.
Good luck! Its a worthy goal.
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Originally Posted by conehead
If you are talking a special event / limited use vehicle and have very deep pockets anything is possible. As a reliable form of transportation I don't see it happening.
Now I am thinking more realistic... Say 140 - 150BHP
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I think it's possible, and without any blowers. The answer lies in fabrication and patience and about $15000.
I know you're getting impatient, so here you go: lift the engine from an RX-8. 238BHP in 1.3L.
The lion's share of the money will go into making that engine work in a MINI, but you'd wind up with space left over.
Even you S drivers would have to admit: that would be one beast of a sleeper.
I know you're getting impatient, so here you go: lift the engine from an RX-8. 238BHP in 1.3L.
The lion's share of the money will go into making that engine work in a MINI, but you'd wind up with space left over.
Even you S drivers would have to admit: that would be one beast of a sleeper.
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Originally Posted by ahamos
I think it's possible, and without any blowers. The answer lies in fabrication and patience and about $15000.
I know you're getting impatient, so here you go: lift the engine from an RX-8. 238BHP in 1.3L.
The lion's share of the money will go into making that engine work in a MINI, but you'd wind up with space left over.
Even you S drivers would have to admit: that would be one beast of a sleeper.
I know you're getting impatient, so here you go: lift the engine from an RX-8. 238BHP in 1.3L.
The lion's share of the money will go into making that engine work in a MINI, but you'd wind up with space left over.
Even you S drivers would have to admit: that would be one beast of a sleeper.
I will just be happy to get in the 140-150 BHP range
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Good Dr.
200 Whp on a naturally aspirated MC? No forced induction allowed? Very difficult, and most definitely not streetable if acheived. If you'd bore the engine out to 2.2 or 2.3 ltrs. maybe, but then it wouldn't be an MC. Cost wise it wouldn't be worth it, not with cheap forced induction available in the MCS. The MC is all about finesse, and the delicate way to acheive power/traction. Good luck going for 200.
200 Whp on a naturally aspirated MC? No forced induction allowed? Very difficult, and most definitely not streetable if acheived. If you'd bore the engine out to 2.2 or 2.3 ltrs. maybe, but then it wouldn't be an MC. Cost wise it wouldn't be worth it, not with cheap forced induction available in the MCS. The MC is all about finesse, and the delicate way to acheive power/traction. Good luck going for 200.
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Originally Posted by MGCMAN
Good Dr.
200 Whp on a naturally aspirated MC? No forced induction allowed? Very difficult, and most definitely not streetable if acheived. If you'd bore the engine out to 2.2 or 2.3 ltrs. maybe, but then it wouldn't be an MC. Cost wise it wouldn't be worth it, not with cheap forced induction available in the MCS. The MC is all about finesse, and the delicate way to acheive power/traction. Good luck going for 200.
200 Whp on a naturally aspirated MC? No forced induction allowed? Very difficult, and most definitely not streetable if acheived. If you'd bore the engine out to 2.2 or 2.3 ltrs. maybe, but then it wouldn't be an MC. Cost wise it wouldn't be worth it, not with cheap forced induction available in the MCS. The MC is all about finesse, and the delicate way to acheive power/traction. Good luck going for 200.
I don't understand why MINI is limiting itself to 1.6 liters. 2.0 liters seems to be the standard for competition. FIA World Rally and many Touring car formulas. Bore it out, Stroke it a little I mean the parent company is Bavarian MOTOR Works. I guess the truth is that BMW doesn't want the 3 series to be spanked by its little cousin.
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Originally Posted by DrDiff
I might be going about this the hard way.. My goal is ALL MOTOR 200 whp on a MINI Cooper. I don't want a super charger, that's far too easy. Nitrous is also out. A turbo is an exhaust driven super charger. So it is out I want to teach those MCS people to respect the MC!
Does anyone think that this is possible? Intake, Bigger Throttle body, Exhaust header and cat back, Bore and stroker Pistons? Port the head?
Thanks in advance
Does anyone think that this is possible? Intake, Bigger Throttle body, Exhaust header and cat back, Bore and stroker Pistons? Port the head?
Thanks in advance
#25
Originally Posted by DrDiff
OK I have dialed back to say 140-150 as a goal.
I don't understand why MINI is limiting itself to 1.6 liters. 2.0 liters seems to be the standard for competition. FIA World Rally and many Touring car formulas. Bore it out, Stroke it a little I mean the parent company is Bavarian MOTOR Works. I guess the truth is that BMW doesn't want the 3 series to be spanked by its little cousin.
I don't understand why MINI is limiting itself to 1.6 liters. 2.0 liters seems to be the standard for competition. FIA World Rally and many Touring car formulas. Bore it out, Stroke it a little I mean the parent company is Bavarian MOTOR Works. I guess the truth is that BMW doesn't want the 3 series to be spanked by its little cousin.
140-150 hp.. u really need to do EVERYTHING imaginable to achieve that... even then.. i'd think probably a CAI, Full STRAIGHT exhaust, fully done head, tb, cams, chip... i think you should get 140-150 hp