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Old 08-11-2018, 09:10 PM
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Anyone have a link to that Youtube Service Mode?? I have the exhaust manifold and cat replacement....Thank You!

I did this install recently and car feels more torquey for sure and the deeper exaust tone is awesome. I have a muffler delete as well and it crackles nicely coming down the rpms. Thank you Ives Mini!!
 
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Old 08-12-2018, 08:57 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_BKvnEPJNQ

I did this install recently and car feels more torquey for sure and the deeper exaust tone is awesome. I have a muffler delete as well and it crackles nicely coming down the rpms. Thank you Ives Mini!!
My pleasure Zach! I felt this was such an incredible find since everyone said there was nothing to gain on the non-s. Imagine if someone could eek more out via tuning! I truly this this was good for 25-30 or maybe a little more hp.
 
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Old 08-12-2018, 08:50 PM
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That would wake this baby cooper up....25hp!!
 
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how much will this cost to install at a shop?, looks like a lot of work!
 
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Old 08-26-2018, 11:18 AM
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how much will this cost to install at a shop?, looks like a lot of work!
Labor time is about 4 hours. You can use that to calculate labor cost from there. I recommend finding a shop that is familiar with service mode. There are clips for the wheel arches that break every time you disconnect one and I keep plenty in my home garage for my car. You want a shop that knows what is involved in placing a Mini in service mode so you aren't stuck with extra costs due to discovery of doing it for the first time. It is a job that any competent repair facility can do. Ask them if they can.
 
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Old 09-13-2018, 06:52 PM
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Found the Magnaflow 49028 part on Ebay (new) for $487. I hope it's as good as you say it is Ives! The Cylinder head is in the shop now getting all new (and deeper) valve seats.
 
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:53 AM
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Found the Magnaflow 49028 part on Ebay (new) for $487. I hope it's as good as you say it is Ives! The Cylinder head is in the shop now getting all new (and deeper) valve seats.
You will not be disappointed! I can't wait to find a shop that can tune the car to see if gains are hiding there too. All these years of being told there is no way to boost performance, this was an incredible surprise.

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Old 10-10-2018, 07:02 AM
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Well Ivan, It looks like the manifold I received was built by the shop idiot.

First, the bracket that attaches to the catalytic converter is at a much different angle than the OEM manifold. This results in about a 10 degree difference in the angle of the discharge end of the manifold where it connects to the exhaust system. This offset puts way too much strain on the flex coupling that connects to the manifold. In the thermal image below, the white lines represent the manifold lay line; you can see the angular difference at the flex joint. I also have a very nice exhaust leak here. Yes, that's a new clamp.




If that wasn't enough, I had to grind down two of the welds because the nuts would not seat properly with the manifold flange; that will result in improper tension on the stud and more exhaust leaks if not corrected.




But wait there's more:

The lower mounting point was so long, it interfered with the transmission housing, and after I cut some of the end off, I also had to remove some of the bracket material because there was no clearance between the bolt and the bracket. Additionally, you can't use the factory bolts; you must replace them with 1 1/4" bolts; the factory bolts bottom out since there are no spacers on the Magnaflow manifold.




And finally:

I had to alter the heat shield because the cylinder portion that protects the up-stream O2 sensor was hitting the weld for the O2 sensor boss. This made it impossible to get the O2 sensor socket on the sensor.






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This is probably the worst fitting aftermarket part I have ever attempted to fit to a car. I plan on removing it and installing the oem manifold unless I can figure out a way to correct the misalignment issue where it meets the exhaust system flex joint. I was even thinking about taking the car to the local dyno to see what power I'm producing now and then check it again when the OEM manifold on the car. I'll report back if I get the dyno work done. I'll bet the performance gain is <10%.
 
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Old 10-10-2018, 01:26 PM
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Wow, I can't believe that had so many issues. I had to use spacers too, and found things to use in my garage. I did not have the other issues you had. Mine fit without issue. I did have my flex joint break off my exhaust as I was getting ready to put it back together, so I found a universal flex joint that was the same size and welded everything back up. The bottom of my assembly was angled perfectly to meet up with the exhaust, and all of my shields are back in place. I can tell you the performance gain of my car is fantastic from every angle. I don't understand how yours could be so bad.
 
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:46 PM
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I can't either! When I sent all those pictures to ECS Tuning, Chris told me they have sold many of these manifolds without complaint, and he offered to refund my money. It figures I'd get the one build on Friday afternoon before the 3 day weekend; today I wanted to give it another try. In the end, I persevered! This manifold sounds a lot different than the OEM. I managed to get the exhaust system to align with the manifold, but it still sounded like I had an exhaust leak. I used my thermal imager, steam, and my mechanic's stethoscope to ensure I didn't have any exhaust leaks at the cylinder head and at the exhaust clamp, but but is sure sounds like I do with slight load on the engine. Did you have a similar experience? With the engine running at idle (AC off), everything sounds normal; as soon as I turn on the AC (and pick up the load of the compressor), it sounds like I have an exhaust leak, but I don't. More load on engine = more fuel, and a corresponding increase in noise ... makes sense to me.

Still, I shouldn't have to grind down welds and cut brackets to get the manifold to fit correctly. Good thing I'm not Magnaflow's quality engineer!




 
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:54 PM
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I wish yours could sound like mine does. It sounds completely natural but a much deeper tone. Partial load cruising, it has such a nice burble to it. Step into it and it sounds like a refined engine (not a characteristic of a N12 . I absolutely love everything about it. The other wins that came with it is consistantly 3 mpg better overall, smoother idle, and truly a bunch of new power. I even went out and bought a new emblem for the valve cover since my car never had one, and the JCW engine cover to keep the engine compartment clean. All with now 198000 miles on it.
 
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I'm willing to bet that the gains will be MUCH better with a high-flow intake on top of the exhaust manifold, and maybe a wider exhaust pipe. I have a Cooper S carbon fiber hood, and I wanted to adapt the parts from the Cooper S AEM intake kit, like the functional hoodscoop funnel and airbox, and see what you can REALLY get out of this car.

I have an industrial-quality, high volume 3D printer, and I wager that I could print that funnel part in a single piece if I had a CAD drawing of it, or the dimensions, so I could make it myself.

I also have a buddy who does racing head and camwork. Maybe he can do something cool too.
 

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Old 11-06-2018, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lobotomy View Post
I'm willing to bet that the gains will be MUCH better with a high-flow intake on top of the exhaust manifold, and maybe a wider exhaust pipe. I have a Cooper S carbon fiber hood, and I wanted to adapt the parts from the Cooper S AEM intake kit, like the functional hoodscoop funnel and airbox, and see what you can REALLY get out of this car.

I have an industrial-quality, high volume 3D printer, and I wager that I could print that funnel part in a single piece if I had a CAD drawing of it, or the dimensions, so I could make it myself.

I also have a buddy who does racing head and camwork. Maybe he can do something cool too.

That would be really cool! I agree, I am wondering what these cars can get to with that restriction eliminated. My car feel so good, it is absolutely amazing. And to add to that I hit 200,000 miles today!
 
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Installed the Magna flow cat , definitely more power , much more fun to drive , less throttle required for launch . Magnaflow cut corners on manufacture (mine was on back order)
I had to trim the lower mount bracket and it was not a pretty piece (looked like cheap foreign manufacture). California car , installed pn. 553028 and new O2 sensors . now getting
sensor fault : ( still runs great . After two fault resets with the Torque app and fault returned I just drove the car for a day with chk eng light on and after the third trip the cel went away : )
 

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Has anybody dyno checked this mod?
 
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:58 AM
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Has anybody dyno checked this mod?
If I ever find a tuner that can handle my N12 on the east coast, I will go that route to see what the gains are. I haven't had too much luck so far. I am curious if there are gains to go along with the added gains from the manifold
 
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I'll be testing my car after the 1st of the year. I just called my local performance shop to make sure they can handle a front-wheel drive car. As of now, I plan on putting the OEM manifold back on because I don't like the Magnaflow manifold. Then, I'll be able to compare the two and settle this once and for all. I'll post the actual dyno numbers once I'm finished. Keep in mind my cylinder head is missing .012" from the valve job (warped head), and my cylinder compression is running 231 (average) PSI.
 
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I wanted to update. My manifold upgrade was a win, win, win. The car is definitely the strongest ever. I recently had a VANOS solenoid fail and I replaced both of them. I found using my Foxwell NT510, I could clear lots of adaptives. Of them I found a VANOS adaption reset. I did this, and It has become another level of incredible transformation. This car is so strong. It doesn't make any sense that it feels the way it does, but it runs like a freight train. One day I will find a tuner and see if there is anything more to gain.
 
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Why does this seem so cheap for the unit?
Amazon Amazon

Is this a knockoff, and that's why there's fitment issues with them? ECS' pricing is more, but only around $130 more. If I look anywhere else, its close to $700. The welds even look shitty on the pics that have been posted up. Certainly not what I'd expect from a Magnaflow product.
 
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Why does this seem so cheap for the unit? https://www.amazon.com/MagnaFlow-490.../dp/B00499WW0E

Is this a knockoff, and that's why there's fitment issues with them? ECS' pricing is more, but only around $130 more. If I look anywhere else, its close to $700. The welds even look shitty on the pics that have been posted up. Certainly not what I'd expect from a Magnaflow product.
Amazon has a huge counterfeiting problem that they aren't really interested in fixing. This is probably such a case, because Amazon is not an authorized reseller for Magnaflow products: https://www.magnaflow.com/where-to-buy/online-dealers/

Further, the Amazon seller claims to be Magnaflow, but they do not sell direct to consumers.

TL;DR: 99% probability of fake product.
 
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