A lot. The head alone will run anywhere from 1500-2500 and will surely need a tune to keep the car from tweaking. Then there's the cam which is another 400 or so. Plus labor which will br in the 8-12 hour range at prolly 100/hour. Then software starting at 500. Plus dyno time and tuning time...
Reworking a stock head would not be worth it IMO. You have labor to remove it, disassemble it, port it,clean it, test it, make sure it's balanced flow-wise, reassemble it and then install it again. The RMW stuff is R&R for the most part. The RMW head would be great if Jan could be convinced to fab up a custom R50 exhaust to take advantage of his port design.

 

I forgot about the difference in chassis...oops

 

Headerback exhaust: $2k
Intake: $250
Custom Big Valve Head: $2500
Dyno Tune: 1hr dyno time = $125 + tune = $450?

Total = a little over 5k bucks.

Sounds like he can do the install himself, so labor isn't an issue really.

Labor to install a head is about $600 I'd imagine. The exhaust and intake shouldn't take more than an hour or two labor, so lets say $200.

 

A big valve head will make power, how much I'm not sure, I've never seen any testing on the NA Cooper. I'm confident that a head, exhaust, intake, cam, and tune will make at least 30 HP.

If you're looking for big gains, you'll have better results with something like an RMW head than trying to do it on your own. He's already gotten the formula down.

 

thanks for all the info. greatly appreciated.

 

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=141455
Good thread started elseware on Jan and tuning a '50.

 

thanks for the link!

 

just wanted to re-iterate!

 

George at Mini-Madness has two packages for the hp range that you are looking at.
stage one @ 135hp (crank - to quell the rath of der abt)
http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...PROD&ProdID=34
stage 2 @ 140hp (crank - again to quell the rath of der abt)
http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...PROD&ProdID=35
stage 3 @ 155hp (crank - once again to quell the rath of der abt)
http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=148

I do not work for MM or am affilitated with MM in anyway. Just posted the links to give you an idea what's out there.

Note that the head is not part of any of the packages. He does have heads if you really want to go that route.
http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...PROD&ProdID=64

 

Yeah, you got to watch out for that. It's Hell on Earth if you disagree.

 

thanks for the links - my gf lives right next to MM & I've checked out most all of the "packages" out there. My main question wasn't how to get hp, but rather if I started with the head, where would that put me.
We kinda digressed along the way - all great info though!

I'm liking the idea (right now) of RMW Jesus head, ITB, custom exhaust, tune. (!) ($) (!)

 

Wow.



Too bad that's how you think about facts and real life results.
This isn't a matter of opinion, this is a matter of what's possible and what is not.

I can tell you one thing, there are plenty of people who disagree with you.
I'll continue to enjoy reality now, thank you very much.
Say hello to Elvis when you see him.

 

You agree with this guy and the unrealistic claims of Mini Madness and yet in one of your earlier posts you say the following to answer a question about how much it will cost to get to 130/140hp :

"A lot. The head alone will run anywhere from 1500-2500 and will surely need a tune to keep the car from tweaking. Then there's the cam which is another 400 or so. Plus labor which will br in the 8-12 hour range at prolly 100/hour. Then software starting at 500. Plus dyno time and tuning time..."

 

For the people who are interested in real life dyno results, check out this thread :

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=127590

It's amazing how some people prefer not to know the real life numbers, and choose to believe what (this has been proven so many times now) is not possible.

If you guys don't want to believe me and the +40 realistic dyno sheets that I have provided, then believe someone who you respect on this forum.
JAN.
You've read this (https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=141455) thread.
Software, exhaust and a CAI got the Cooper they tuned to 121,8hp.
And that's a really good result.

Software, in the best case scenario (if your car isn't running 115hp at the flywheel to begin with), will give maybe 8hp (upgrading it through the OBDII connection port).
A higher gain (maybe a couple of hp, not much more) through software can be produced, but to achieve that a piggyback device like UniChip is needed to be able to deliver more detailed work.
A panel filter is known to give nothing more than 1hp.
I've seen/done so many tests regarding panel filters, and the only people who gained more than 1hp, were the ones who had a really dirty stock filter and who lost hp to begin with.

Regarding the Mini Madness stage 2 with the CAI ... well all I can say is WOW.
Claiming 140hp with just software and a CAI is simply arrogant and dumb if you ask me.

Isn't it strange that people who have done the upgrades like software, CAI, header, sportcat., cat-back exhaust, head and cam struggle to reach/break 140/145hp at the flywheel.
But hey, Mini Madness must be right because never in time or anywhere in the world has a tuner made claims they couldn't back up. Right?
I guess they have a magical formula that nobody else in the world has, to get 25hp out of the Cooper non S with just a software tune and an intake (one of the cheaper intakes if you compare it to the BMC CDA, Pipercross Viper, K&N Apollo).

Your post tells me that you don't have experience and you obviously haven't done as much testing as me (and many other people).
So far I've done +25 dyno runs with my own car and I've seen a lot of dyno runs of other Coopers with all kinds of mods.
We've tested several dyno's (Maha, Superflow, Cartec, Bosch,...), several mods (software, intakes, exhausts, cams, ...), ...
But hey, you can use the internet and read what's on a webpage, so I'm sure you know more about it than most people who have done real tests.

So sad ...

 

If you REALLY want to reach 140/150hp, this is what it will take to get there :

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=53913

Read this thread, read my dyno thread showing facts and then say Mini Madness promises realistic results.

 

Can we tone down the level of rhetoric in this thread? Its starting to get heated enough that site guidelines might start to get trampled. Keep it friendly and helpful or move on.

Mark

 

+1

Add to that a cam and you're well over 5k bucks.

 

I never stated I agree with any claims they make. I just stated how much time and money would be involved in a project like that.

 

Then why the personal attack ?

Have I not provided proof to back up my claims ?
Have I not added much information on this forum regarding dyno testing, software, intakes, exhausts, ... ?
Name one statement of mine that is false or that has not been proven.

 

I just meant it to be a harmless sarcastic ribbing, no insult intended.

 

In that case, let's continue our talk regarding this subject

 

You can compare the setup and the design with the Pipercross Viper.
The only difference is that the Viper has a foam filter and the Apollo has a cotton filter inside (like the BMC CDA).
The CDA is the cheapest of the three and most people I know (including myself) got really good results with this intake.

 

and the rath doth been released

There are so many things that go into getting numbers from a dyno, air temp, humidity, type of fuel, type of dyno, software running the dyno, ect. People will believe what they want to. You smacking people around with your numbers won't change too many minds. Keep up the good work.

 

Ignorance for the win.

 

So, let me get this straight and 100% correct.

If you didn't do the dyno runs, the results are false?

Arrogance for the loss.

And by the way, Elvis is doing great and wants me to tell you to stop doing his songs at the karaoke bar, you sound horrible.

All kidding asisde.

My point was and still is, you need to tone down your posts and stop smacking people around and telling everyone that they are totally wrong. The more you force your views down others throats, the more they will resist. Just bring it down a notch or two.

Perhaps something like this:

WOW! 135hp? This other post is what I have seen, but good work on that R50.

Not:

You LIE! YOU ARE A LIER! I AM RIGHT SEE MY OTHER POSTS!

The former comes off much nicer. People will respond negatively to the latter.