Who said anything about stock or lightly modded? Re-read my posts. I think everyone would like to see what change the m7 blower brings about KEEPING ALL OTHER THINGS ON THE CAR THE SAME. That is MUCH, MUCH more useful than saying "we changed A, B, and C ... look how well C works!".

 

Old twinscrew thread here:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=45958
Seems like I post this about once a month
Here is what you seek :smile:
http://www.rms-tuning.com/rindex.html
Be sure and bring your wallet
Last time I talked to Randy Webb, I was looking like ~$7,000 plus install

 

Good Morning.....

Cosmic, since when did turn in to a something bad.



Extreme.....

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What can I say, if you like to find faults with us, and our products go ahead. But the bottom line is we did dyno the upgrade and it did give us
17whp. If you think that's a huge claim

The 16% pulley is a measly 1.3% change in gearing, let's give the gearing
3whp, the MTH map was a standard map, that will give you 4-5whp at the most, the rest is from the SC IE. 8-9whp I find that a very acceptable [/font][font=&quot] for $695.[/font]
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As for not showing Dyno runs......this thread proves why, no one (some)
will ever believe you no matter what.

If you need more info please call me, as I am to busy to hang out on the forum, talking endlessly about something we already gone over.

peter
Team M7
562-608-8123 [/font]

 

Ooh, can I play this game too? Let's say the JCW to 16% change gave 7 whp (since we're just pulling numbers out of thin air) and the JCW program to MTH program gave 11 whp (since we're just pulling numbers out of thin air), so the SC yields negative one hp. Yay! What do I win?

 

Quote:"Good Morning.....

Cosmic, since when did turn in to a something bad."


Peace M7, is a very good thing. There is nothing "bad" taken or intended.

OK, i think we need to clarify once more that we are not asking for speculation. We want some exact figures taken in a scientific way. That means you take a car which i don't care if it's modded or not. Run it on the dyno, put only a ported supercharger on the car. And redo the dyno on the same day in similar conditions as the 1st run. This is not hard stuff. Stop beating around the bush. You have a few people here that are seriously considering buying the product, but want to know what gains are to be had beyond speculation. That is it.

 

Neither unknown nor a minority. Did you ever see the AGS threads?

You'd figure that the parties pushing a product, **** or not, would "pony" (pun intended) up the cash to satisfy anyone but the most naive of consumers.

When you introduce one variable at a time, then AND ONLY THEN do you have a true experiment.

Marty

 

The MCS has forged pistons, connecting rods and crankshaft. The MC does not. To supercharge the MC block would just be asking for trouble, IMHO

 

I am unclear about something. Naive means un-knowledgeable/easily duped. There are plenty of knowledgeable people here [more knowledgeable than you AND I!] who are comfortable speculating a little. That is called hypothesis, and HYPOTHESIS is the basis of scientific discovery. It is hardly unscientific. It is practical. You may not have all info, but you have some AND you have enough background knowledge to deduce. Help me out a little.

Now, if you mean to suggest that I am naive, you're completely wrong, man. I HAVE an M7 ported blower. I felt the difference in throttle response [it breathes MUCH nicer than my stock one did]. I am by no means naive.

 

Out of curiousity, why did your parents let you put a ported blower on your car, but not the AGS?

http://www.teammightyminiz.com/forum...r=asc&start=44

 

At no point did I single you out.

We're presumably all reasonable people (re intellect), but herein lies the rub - we're not all on a level playing field WRT disposable income. That is a significant determinant in my decision to buy hop-up parts for my cars. So hypothesis-driven science and hypothesis-driven consumerism don't hold up well to the same rigors.

More than one variable; this seems to be a recurring theme around here!

If I can see $700 leaving my bank account, I'd just like to see what I should expect to get for it. That's all. Not so tough to fathom, eh?

Marty

 

OOOPS.... your right.... my apologies

other than that clarification I stand by my other posts

 

Andy, you have a dizzying wit.

Marty

 

And what colossal ignorance! Do you know how easily it is to sell the idea of a factory for factory swap??

PS: My parents objected to the volume of my ported SC post AGS . The neighbors didn't find my late night arrivals so hot. Losers ! Speaking of losers, how much time do you waste stalking other people online, Andy? If you like my car, just say it. IF you're jealous, own up. Anyways, you better start saving up those massive BIM-COM profits! Oh wait, my bad!

 

Jeez... and people think TEAMMIGHTYMINIZ are militant.

So much repetitive banter over a couple of horsepower. You'd think you guys were driving Mustang SVT Cobras or something. Y'know, like the Cobras I whupt at Streets of Willow with only an M7 AGS and B&B Exhaust.

 

I don't think most of us know the difficulties of talking our parents into letting us put parts on our cars.

That thread was linked in the AGS dyno thread and I remembered what you had mentioned. I'm a bit confused though. Your parents objected to the volume of your car after you installed the AGS? I thought you didn't install it or have it installed in your car at all?

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...&postcount=545

I DO like your car, it looks very nice.

 

AGS goes on, I drive around and wake the spirits, AGS goes off [for now ]. You don't know where I live, so I suggest you hold your commentary .

 

I can attest, that did happen . Go Ivan!

 

What commentary?

 

Hmph. . Got anything more to say about this newest part that you've never even seen?

 

I still don't get it, you said that everything made it on except the AGS. Now you say you installed it but then removed it? Considering you are one of the most vocal AGS supporters, why haven't you posted any feedback of your experience with it on the car (presumably from the shop to your parent's house back to the shop)?

 

I don't have anything more to see about this newest part that I've never seen. What does that mean? Is that a riddle ... or a limerick?

 

it's post-grind fatigue. my bad. correction made.

The AGS sounded SWEET to me, with the trick heatshield. There was no vacuum leak. It was a great improvement over stock, especially down low. I was thrilled, but I met quite a bit of resistance. It bummed me out for days. But, I'll put it back on when I take over my bills. Is that enough rehashing? :impatient

 

Would a MP62 fit down there?

 

I wondered that myself, but to be honest I highly doubt it would. You see, the weird thing is, this Eaton blower that we have is actually not a stock piece at all. Their model M45 indicates that it has the M45 impellars and air flow size/output, but the mounting holes, pulley and intake/output snout location, external casing, etc. are all 'one-offed', so to speak, for MINI. IF you got an MP62, you would need to find a way to mount it, fabricate pre- and post-SC passages [meaning new IC runners] and then get everything back on behind the bumper. My thinking is way too much work. The simplest [and in my mind best] option is just to port and polish and finesse what is already there. There are definately gains to be made in efficiency and therefore power. I love my M7 ported blower. Now, only to port and polish the runners....

PS: The other thing to remember is- the bigger the SC, the more parasitic loss. The stock blower already robs too much [%-wise] down low for my taste. I cannot imagine the lag with a SC for an engine twice ours' size. [I think that the 62 is for V6's around 4 litres, no?]

 

Good question. The larger blower would definitely deliver a larger volume of air per revolution and could reduce drive losses and charge air heating. IIRC, GM replaced the M62 with the M90 in the Regal/Grand Prix/etc and were able to keep power the same while doing away with the IC since their temps were lower.

Here's some dimensions comparing the MP45 and MP62





Looks like the body cross section is the same, just different length. Of course, you'd need to find an alternate way to circulate coolant.