What's the best oil / oil change interval?

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Mar 13, 2021 | 05:35 AM
  #51  
It will last longer if unopened and up to 5 yrs under proper conditions, however when exposed to extreme fluctuations of cold ( under 40*) and hot weather ( above 80*) it can effect viscosity and thickness of the oil. In extreme cases, oil with additives will experience "additive dropout" whereas the additives fall out of suspension causing an uneven lubricant mixture that can lead to engine failure.
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Mar 13, 2021 | 08:43 AM
  #52  
Thanks for everyone's input. Oil is stored in a heated garage and has never been opened. It is actually 3 years since I purchased it on sale. Manufacture date on one jug is 2017 the other is 2016.
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Mar 13, 2021 | 09:02 AM
  #53  
Don't lose sleep over it. A couple of years isn't any issue at all. Engine oils are designed to withstand conditions (excessive temperatures, combustion by-products such as moisture) inside combustion engines far exceeding any storage temperature. You can find VOAs of canned engine oils on Bitog which were several decades old and still in serviceable condition. That doesn't meen I'd recommend using them in a Mini, as oils that old don't even nearly fulfill current requirements.

If you have the funds and can get hold of it try Ravenol REP 5W-30. It's similar to Redline 5W-30 in base oil quality (true synthetic PAO + POE) and some major regards such as ultra-low Noack loss (~6 %), but lacks the excessive amounts of calcium, zink, phosphorus and moly, while it comes with some boron and tungsten ('Wolfram' as part of Vanderbilt's most advanced W-324 adpack) instead and is BMW LL-04 approved unlike Redline's true synthetic range (don't get confused with their newer OE-approved fake-synthetics). I'm convinced REP seems more appropriate for DI engines like the N14 and N18.
However I also still recommend using M1 ESP 5W-30 despite it recently lost its LL-04 certification. Certainly one of the best value you cant get for almost any current and recent BMW, Mini or Audi and VW engine. It's still VW 504 00 approved, which is one of the most demanding specs out there.

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Mar 14, 2021 | 04:37 AM
  #54  
I've checked with the oil I use, and Shell specify 4 years. I'll stick to their recommendations.

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Mar 14, 2021 | 05:23 AM
  #55  
Well, there you have it... The answer to the question. No more guessing...
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Mar 14, 2021 | 06:50 AM
  #56  
What are the design parameters of an engine that drive the need for high end lubricants? Is it metallurgy? Tight clearances? Dealer profit margin?
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Mar 14, 2021 | 07:02 AM
  #57  
Probably all three....Why going cheap on an oil / oil filter can be counter productive especailly in the Mk2 MINI for N14 engine which had microscreens in the two solenoid valves which would drive the variable valve timing....They were often found clogged with varnish and/or filter medium debris resulting in poor performance and ultimately the failure of those two parts.

MINI reccomendation of of 10K mile oil changes perfect for someone who trades every 3-4 yrs and cheap for dealer if on the hook for those but bad for the car because by the 6th - 8th year engine would be in need of costly repairs....
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Mar 14, 2021 | 07:36 AM
  #58  
Quote: What are the design parameters of an engine that drive the need for high end lubricants? Is it metallurgy? Tight clearances? Dealer profit margin?
I don't have a clue! However, my 2013 R56 JCW is my pride & joy. So, for that reason, I'm happy to use 'high end' lubricants.
What I can tell you is this, when I look in my oil filler cap, it's spotlessly clean in there. No sludge build up, no dark brown discolouration.
Everything is all clean, 'silvery' & shiny. I would assume the quality oil is doing some good? Hopefully, the rest of the engine internals are equally as clean.
Admittedly, I change my oil every 12months/5000miles and my car has only covered 34,000miles.
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Mar 14, 2021 | 10:01 AM
  #59  
Quote: I've checked with the oil I use, and Shell specify 4 years. I'll stick to their recommendations.

Nothing like getting it in writing.👍
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Mar 14, 2021 | 10:22 AM
  #60  
Quote: I don't have a clue! However, my 2013 R56 JCW is my pride & joy. So, for that reason, I'm happy to use 'high end' lubricants.
What I can tell you is this, when I look in my oil filler cap, it's spotlessly clean in there. No sludge build up, no dark brown discolouration.
Everything is all clean, 'silvery' & shiny. I would assume the quality oil is doing some good? Hopefully, the rest of the engine internals are equally as clean.
Admittedly, I change my oil every 12months/5000miles and my car has only covered 34,000miles.
Keep doing what you are doing...

I use a “high end” oil in my S and JCW. The turbo really cooks the oil and the heat from the turbo will break down the oil faster than a non-turbo will. I have almost 70k miles on my S and a lot of that is from driving on the track. As you say, the cap and internals are spotless.

When we first got out ‘04 Cooper MINI/BMW was on a really bad idea of extending oil life. For a long time the computer said the oil change interval was between 20k and 30k miles. This was true for the BMWs too. Then I started to hear that CPO BMWs had engines that were seizing up, in particular the big V8s of the day. They were clogged with cooked oil. Since that time the oil change interval has come down to 11k miles. We were fortunate with our ‘04 in that the owner’s manual says “... or 1 year” for each oil change and we put only about 4k miles on it in a year. The dealer honored that in our annual maintenance.
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Mar 22, 2021 | 03:06 PM
  #61  
gimme a break ... I had a very early 02-S and the computer interval started at 12,000 as I recall .... certainly NOT 20,000

I changed the oil in that car BY THE COMPUTER numbers and had it for over 120,000 miles. After prepaid maintenance expired I DIY with Mobile One and MINI filters . . .
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Apr 1, 2021 | 09:46 AM
  #62  
I wish I had pictures from our early days of ownership of our R50. From what I could find in a search just now, was at that time the MINI interval for oil change was 15,000 miles and that has changed to 10,000. But the computer also was/is capable of modifying the interval using an algorithm that looked at a number of parameters. I would guess those would include driving style, temperatures, RPM, etc. At any rate, I blown away by how high the mileage was for the oil change interval that was reported by the computer. It was well beyond 15K miles. I should note that as of today the interval on our R50 is being reported as 13,600 miles, and that is after a half a year of driving since the last oil change. That would put it well about any reasonable interval. I feel fortunate that the owner’s manual says to change the oil at the reported interval or 1 year, which ever comes first. Otherwise, I believe the engine would have been toast long before now...

As for your 12K miles oil change interval. I am not surprised yours was less than what we saw. The S is a more highly stress engine than what is in the R50. The computer algorithm would have seen that. Also, your driving style was likely more aggressive, especially given our R50 has the CVT. All of which would play into that difference.
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Apr 10, 2021 | 09:00 AM
  #63  
Just did my 160,000 mile oil change on my 09 Clubby S, reset the oil life at saw this...

No wonder there are n14’s out there with issues. I will be planning my 3rd oil change by then.
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Apr 10, 2021 | 06:19 PM
  #64  
Quote: What are the design parameters of an engine that drive the need for high end lubricants? Is it metallurgy? Tight clearances? Dealer profit margin?
Load and speed, e.g. torque, bearing load (bearing diameter and width) and speed, piston speed (stroke), but also cleanliness of combustion process, oil capacity and radiator/coolant capacity > temps.
N14/N18 MCS and JCW engines suffer from small oil capacity (4,3 qts) relative to given power, small coolant capacity (5,2 qts?), tight engine bay, close proximity to turbo and cat and direct injection. DI means very short time available for fuel and air to mix, which causes increased levels of soot.
Things are getting worse with increased power and even more so with increased torque, but Diesel engines equipped with a DPF are even harder on oil.
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Apr 11, 2021 | 04:33 AM
  #65  
Quote: Just did my 160,000 mile oil change on my 09 Clubby S, reset the oil life at saw this...

No wonder there are n14’s out there with issues. I will be planning my 3rd oil change by then.
4/2023... What?

And 2 years between changing the oil will kill an engine too.
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Apr 11, 2021 | 05:47 AM
  #66  
Quote: 4/2023... What?

And 2 years between changing the oil will kill an engine too.
How many people went by this stuff back in the day? I had an 06 Chevy HHR that I went by the oil life monitor and let’s just say things didn’t end well in the end for it.
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Apr 12, 2021 | 04:28 AM
  #67  
Quote: Keep doing what you are doing...

I use a “high end” oil in my S and JCW. The turbo really cooks the oil and the heat from the turbo will break down the oil faster than a non-turbo will. I have almost 70k miles on my S and a lot of that is from driving on the track. As you say, the cap and internals are spotless.

When we first got out ‘04 Cooper MINI/BMW was on a really bad idea of extending oil life. For a long time the computer said the oil change interval was between 20k and 30k miles. This was true for the BMWs too. Then I started to hear that CPO BMWs had engines that were seizing up, in particular the big V8s of the day. They were clogged with cooked oil. Since that time the oil change interval has come down to 11k miles. We were fortunate with our ‘04 in that the owner’s manual says “... or 1 year” for each oil change and we put only about 4k miles on it in a year. The dealer honored that in our annual maintenance.
Since I am working from home now I am only putting 1,600 miles a year on my GP2 (16k total miles).

I normally do 1yr oil changes, could I move to 2yr changes?

cheers!
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Apr 12, 2021 | 04:30 AM
  #68  
Quote: Since I am working from home now I am only putting 1,600 miles a year on my GP2 (16k total miles).

I normally do 1yr oil changes, could I move to 2yr changes?

cheers!
Personally if it were me, I’d keep on the yearly oil changes if I where in your shoes, especially with a GP2.
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Apr 12, 2021 | 04:33 AM
  #69  
Quote: Since I am working from home now I am only putting 1,600 miles a year on my GP2 (16k total miles).

I normally do 1yr oil changes, could I move to 2yr changes?

cheers!
With a car that nice, I'd still change the oil every 12 months. You can't 'over look after' your pride & joy!
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Apr 12, 2021 | 06:00 AM
  #70  
Quote: Since I am working from home now I am only putting 1,600 miles a year on my GP2 (16k total miles).

I normally do 1yr oil changes, could I move to 2yr changes?

cheers!
Keep it 12 months. As I understand it, the oil absorbed moisture over time. This combines with gases from combustion which forms acids, which in turns breakers down the oil and adds wear to the engine. The key to this is “time”, hence the “...or one year...” for oil changes.
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Apr 12, 2021 | 08:49 AM
  #71  
Yeah I recently changed the oil in my R55 09 and did the oil reset then got the message oil
change do again 2023.
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Apr 12, 2021 | 12:04 PM
  #72  
Quote: Since I am working from home now I am only putting 1,600 miles a year on my GP2 (16k total miles).
I normally do 1yr oil changes, could I move to 2yr changes?
You're most probably fine with two years IF these 1600 miles aren't short trips/your engine
gets up to temp all the time. Use a proper oil like Castrol Edge, Mobil 1, Amsoil, Ravenol.
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Apr 12, 2021 | 12:20 PM
  #73  
Quote: You're most probably fine with two years IF these 1600 miles aren't short trips/your engine
gets up to temp all the time. Use a proper oil like Castrol Edge, Mobil 1, Amsoil, Ravenol.
Royal Purple in that list?
I use Amsoil in all my other vehicles.
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Apr 12, 2021 | 12:31 PM
  #74  
No opinion on RP and probably not bad at all, however not a fan of any boutique stuff. If I was I'd consider Penrite Ten Tenths.
One weak point on these smaller company oils is the lack of approvals. That does include the top of the range products of Redline.
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Apr 12, 2021 | 02:07 PM
  #75  
I am not sure that I would discount an oil like Red Line, with their experience in making oils. They say racing improves the breed and they have a lot of experience along those lines.

I got to meet a person involved in the Red Line oil company at a track event and got to talk to him about oil in general as well as Red Line oil. A point he made was how much money companies like Castrol puts into advertisements vs the production of their oil, which is far more than what Red Line does. Take that with a grain of salt, but it does make one wonder about who makes the better oil.

As I noted above, I have used Castrol, Mobil 1, Red Line and Motul in my R56. After a 3 day track event, my top oil is Red Line followed closely by Motul. Castrol and Mobil 1, not so much. Do I have any scientific proof why I like those 2 the best? No. Blackstone analyses showed all to be acceptable. But there is a definite difference in the way the engine sounds after the oil being cooked for 3 days out on the track. The R56 engine is noisy to begin with and the oils make a difference. And the engine has been like this since new.

Does this prove one is better than the other. Nope. This is just one data point and opinion from taking my R56 to the track for the last 8 years. Would any of these oils be fine for street use? Absolutely. Even without approvals, Red Line states their oils are recommended for most car manufacturer requirements, including LL for BMW.

That said, Red Line now has a series of “approved” oils. For example:


Red Line oil
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