R56 End-all Tune thread
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End-all Tune thread
I cannot seem to find a decisive answer to the question:
What is the best tune for my mini?
I have a 2010 R56 MCS.
I want a tune that I can do without having to swap out all the internals...so that will put me at about 210-220 hp comfortably.
I would like to know about tunes for all hp ranges, including those requiring internal modifications but as of now, I would like to do a tune which can provide 210-220, ceteris paribus.
What is the best tune for my mini?
I have a 2010 R56 MCS.
I want a tune that I can do without having to swap out all the internals...so that will put me at about 210-220 hp comfortably.
I would like to know about tunes for all hp ranges, including those requiring internal modifications but as of now, I would like to do a tune which can provide 210-220, ceteris paribus.
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Each tune will be car and mod dependent. Therefore the gains will be dependent on the condition of the engine/turbo and the mods on the car. So if you want a tune with out doing any mods that can be done. Typically that would be called a stage 1 tune for marketing purposes. Then as you add mods later the tune can stay or be updated to change boost, timing and fuel to make the most of the mods you add. Each tuner has their own opinion on what works best and customers like or dislike each for their own reason. So there is no cut and dry answer on what is the best and what is worse as it will all be car by car basis.
We offer a few different tuning options that can be done by shipping your ECU to us or bringing your car to our shop in Atlanta, or meet up with us at a MINI event.
http://www.waymotorworks.com/perform...-cooper-s.html
Please feel free to contact us and we can pick what would be the best to meet your goals.
We offer a few different tuning options that can be done by shipping your ECU to us or bringing your car to our shop in Atlanta, or meet up with us at a MINI event.
http://www.waymotorworks.com/perform...-cooper-s.html
Please feel free to contact us and we can pick what would be the best to meet your goals.
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I think it comes down to where you are if you have access to a dealer, if your willing to ship your ECU or flash yourself with a cable and emailed file and finally cost. Since there are a few members outside the US myself include the answer to these question quickly narrow down the choice.
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The best would be a custom one developed with your particular car on a dyno, with an expert tweaking the engine management setup until the maximum performance has been extracted. Note that you'll want to run the same fuel you run daily--and if your area changes fuel blends from summer to winter, you may need to run each type and get a specific tune for that.
Doing the above would likely cost a really stupid amount of money, though.
Realistically, there is no single "best". There are always trade-offs.
Doing the above would likely cost a really stupid amount of money, though.
Realistically, there is no single "best". There are always trade-offs.
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The best would be a custom one developed with your particular car on a dyno, with an expert tweaking the engine management setup until the maximum performance has been extracted. Note that you'll want to run the same fuel you run daily--and if your area changes fuel blends from summer to winter, you may need to run each type and get a specific tune for that.
Doing the above would likely cost a really stupid amount of money, though.
Realistically, there is no single "best". There are always trade-offs.
Doing the above would likely cost a really stupid amount of money, though.
Realistically, there is no single "best". There are always trade-offs.
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I'm tempted to post an "lmgtfy" link, but here's the first result from a Google search on "summer gas formulation":
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...ence-13747431/
They both should meet the same anti-knock ("octane") ratings and can have similar detergents and such. But they are different formulas, and they can burn slightly differently. So to get an absolute maximum tune, you'd need to run with the specific fuel that you tuned for. You might lose some tiny fraction of the power you are paying for by using a different type (or brand!!) of fuel--or if things are really tuned to the ragged edge there is some (slight) possibility of going over the edge and damaging something.
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You can make it all a higher grade. Just gotta figure out the proper mix, buy some toluene, dress up like dr. Frankenstein and give it a whirl. Toluene is more readily available than MMT.
You can't do that every tank full. It costs to much.
Don't have a tune for that stuff. Your playing with fire. I was just being funny.
You can't do that every tank full. It costs to much.
Don't have a tune for that stuff. Your playing with fire. I was just being funny.
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How do the tunes deal with engine knock? My mini is my DD and until I become rich and famous, its going to remain my DD. For obvious reasons I don't want to be stupid, and up with a lot of knock and then blow something. In addition, I hate losing power.
During the tune, how can something so complex as ignition timing be done correctly? how is eliminating knock done?
During the tune, how can something so complex as ignition timing be done correctly? how is eliminating knock done?
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How do the tunes deal with engine knock? My mini is my DD and until I become rich and famous, its going to remain my DD. For obvious reasons I don't want to be stupid, and up with a lot of knock and then blow something. In addition, I hate losing power. During the tune, how can something so complex as ignition timing be done correctly? how is eliminating knock done?
Go with manic and you won't have an issue. They were so close on my car right from the start it wasn't funny. And my car is an extremely modified car.
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How do the tunes deal with engine knock? My mini is my DD and until I become rich and famous, its going to remain my DD. For obvious reasons I don't want to be stupid, and up with a lot of knock and then blow something. In addition, I hate losing power.
During the tune, how can something so complex as ignition timing be done correctly? how is eliminating knock done?
During the tune, how can something so complex as ignition timing be done correctly? how is eliminating knock done?
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Right right, to both above, thank you, that all makes sense. This tuning is becoming more and more complex, now W/M injection kit may be a requirement. Better do it right if we're going to do it at all.
What can I expect stock internals being able to handle power-wise? I talked to the omnipotent staff at Pep-boys and he said my pistons and rods are forged... I'll take what they have to say with a grain of salt and a lot of verification.
What can I expect stock internals being able to handle power-wise? I talked to the omnipotent staff at Pep-boys and he said my pistons and rods are forged... I'll take what they have to say with a grain of salt and a lot of verification.
#16
Right right, to both above, thank you, that all makes sense. This tuning is becoming more and more complex, now W/M injection kit may be a requirement. Better do it right if we're going to do it at all.
What can I expect stock internals being able to handle power-wise? I talked to the omnipotent staff at Pep-boys and he said my pistons and rods are forged... I'll take what they have to say with a grain of salt and a lot of verification.
What can I expect stock internals being able to handle power-wise? I talked to the omnipotent staff at Pep-boys and he said my pistons and rods are forged... I'll take what they have to say with a grain of salt and a lot of verification.
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Right right, to both above, thank you, that all makes sense. This tuning is becoming more and more complex, now W/M injection kit may be a requirement. Better do it right if we're going to do it at all.
What can I expect stock internals being able to handle power-wise? I talked to the omnipotent staff at Pep-boys and he said my pistons and rods are forged... I'll take what they have to say with a grain of salt and a lot of verification.
What can I expect stock internals being able to handle power-wise? I talked to the omnipotent staff at Pep-boys and he said my pistons and rods are forged... I'll take what they have to say with a grain of salt and a lot of verification.
With a goal of <250WHP, don't worry about internals.
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I was worried that doing some of these modifications would kill my MPG. Although it doesn't matter to me, it's still awesome when I don't try and still get 33 to the gallon. So it's nice to know that won't go down the drain.
I autocross which is hard on the car but I can't imagine that will really put significantly more strain on the internals.
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