So... I have been looking at some new tires...
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Ok, another question for you all.
If I end up getting some lowering springs that lower the car 1.3 inches, I know that I will end up with some negative camber. In order to get the most out of the tires, I would want to rotate them often. Do you know if the tread on either the Proxes 4 or the Falken Ziex's are reversible? Can they run either way?
Thanks!
If I end up getting some lowering springs that lower the car 1.3 inches, I know that I will end up with some negative camber. In order to get the most out of the tires, I would want to rotate them often. Do you know if the tread on either the Proxes 4 or the Falken Ziex's are reversible? Can they run either way?
Thanks!
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R83 is 20.1#, 195/55/16 runflats are 22.5 - 23.5 depending on brand
(dunlops 23.5, goodyear 22.5)
source: http://www.mini2.com/forum/faq.php?f...factory_wheels
(dunlops 23.5, goodyear 22.5)
source: http://www.mini2.com/forum/faq.php?f...factory_wheels
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"[ , another question for you all.
If I end up getting some lowering springs that lower the car 1.3 inches, I know that I will end up with some negative camber. In order to get the most out of the tires, I would want to rotate them often. Do you know if the tread on either the Proxes 4 or the Falken Ziex's are reversible? Can they run either way?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
If you lower your MINI your front end will likely have about -0.5 degrees and rear -2.0 to -2.4 degrees negative camber. Most of the time this is still driveable but if it isn't then you can really adjust that negative camber except by adding lower adjustable rear control arms which allow you to set the rear camber to the stock range which is -1.0 to -2.0 degrees.
It doesn't really matter what you are running for negative camber if you can rotate tires about every 3000-4000 miles or so watching for wear and keeping tire inflation to the correct amount.
Even if those tires are directional you won't need to do much except to rotate them. I have Yokohama ES100 tires which are directional so I just rotate the right rear to the right front and move the front to the back with the same rotation pattern on the left. No crossing over. If those tires are not directional there will be no arrow with the words "rotation" on it on the side wall pointing in the direction of the rotation of the tire with relation to the ground.
In short you should be OK if you lower your MINI. Rotate regularly every 3000-4000 miles.
If I end up getting some lowering springs that lower the car 1.3 inches, I know that I will end up with some negative camber. In order to get the most out of the tires, I would want to rotate them often. Do you know if the tread on either the Proxes 4 or the Falken Ziex's are reversible? Can they run either way?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
If you lower your MINI your front end will likely have about -0.5 degrees and rear -2.0 to -2.4 degrees negative camber. Most of the time this is still driveable but if it isn't then you can really adjust that negative camber except by adding lower adjustable rear control arms which allow you to set the rear camber to the stock range which is -1.0 to -2.0 degrees.
It doesn't really matter what you are running for negative camber if you can rotate tires about every 3000-4000 miles or so watching for wear and keeping tire inflation to the correct amount.
Even if those tires are directional you won't need to do much except to rotate them. I have Yokohama ES100 tires which are directional so I just rotate the right rear to the right front and move the front to the back with the same rotation pattern on the left. No crossing over. If those tires are not directional there will be no arrow with the words "rotation" on it on the side wall pointing in the direction of the rotation of the tire with relation to the ground.
In short you should be OK if you lower your MINI. Rotate regularly every 3000-4000 miles.
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It is time for me to start thinking about tires and this post really helped.We have just over 5000 miles on the runflats and they are pretty much shot.Maybe another 1000 at the most.
Betty has just been driving to fast around these mountain roads.
Betty has just been driving to fast around these mountain roads.
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Why no Kumho MX's? I've had MX's, 712's, Toyo Proxy R1s, and Falken Azenis's at different times (only have owned 2 but traded wheels with friends to try different tires out :-)
712's... good tire for the money... I would say that if you are just going to commute these are not bad tires. If you want more traction these things suck.
Proxy R1's... these things are sweet! I'll probably get 20k on them in a 360hp 3000 lb RWD car that you can't rotate the tires on due to staggering. Going from the 712's to the R1's in the same sizes was like going from the stock 225F 245R dunflop 8080E's to the 235F 265R 712's. These tires are great... but you pay for it!
Falken Azenis... for SoCal where we don't get much rain and no snow this tire owns! Traction galore... but treadwear sucks quite frankly. Good thing they are cheap!
MX's... These are going on my Mini when it arrives. Cheap, decent treadlife, and great performance. They are in a completely dfferent league than the 712's.
The mini will be my workhorse commuter car but I'm definately putting MX's on there (well maybe Azenis' but I've heard they are nail magnets). If you just want something that doesn't wear too much then 712s are great. On the other hand if you value braking/ roadholding get something in the MAX performance category. In SoCal we never worry about snow and don't get much rain which makes it perfect for max performance tires. Although I can't give the best idea on treadwear for all of these tires, I can say that better tires can make as much of a difference on the car's handling as changing out the springs/ shocks. Everytime I get new rubber I am reminded about how much I love wide sticky rubber!
Patrick
712's... good tire for the money... I would say that if you are just going to commute these are not bad tires. If you want more traction these things suck.
Proxy R1's... these things are sweet! I'll probably get 20k on them in a 360hp 3000 lb RWD car that you can't rotate the tires on due to staggering. Going from the 712's to the R1's in the same sizes was like going from the stock 225F 245R dunflop 8080E's to the 235F 265R 712's. These tires are great... but you pay for it!
Falken Azenis... for SoCal where we don't get much rain and no snow this tire owns! Traction galore... but treadwear sucks quite frankly. Good thing they are cheap!
MX's... These are going on my Mini when it arrives. Cheap, decent treadlife, and great performance. They are in a completely dfferent league than the 712's.
The mini will be my workhorse commuter car but I'm definately putting MX's on there (well maybe Azenis' but I've heard they are nail magnets). If you just want something that doesn't wear too much then 712s are great. On the other hand if you value braking/ roadholding get something in the MAX performance category. In SoCal we never worry about snow and don't get much rain which makes it perfect for max performance tires. Although I can't give the best idea on treadwear for all of these tires, I can say that better tires can make as much of a difference on the car's handling as changing out the springs/ shocks. Everytime I get new rubber I am reminded about how much I love wide sticky rubber!
Patrick
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Good to see some familiar faces in here, as I've been gone from MINI forums for awhile :smile:
I don't know why people are getting so little wear out of their stock runflats. I have the 16" Goodyear runflats, and I'm over 30k miles and they still aren't at the wear bars. I thought they'd be worn out at 35k, but it looks like they'll make it to 40.
When I do replace them (and I might just replace them at 35k because I'm sick of them
) I'm going to either go w/ the BFGoodrich T/A KDW 2's (great tread life, and nice over-all performance) or Pirelli PZero Neros. The Pirellis are a superior tire, and the treadware rating is 220 VS the stock Goodyears' 240. The only concern is that I hear that they tramline like crazy on our SoCal freeways, due to the rain grooves we have cut into the surface. Otherwise, superior wet/dry handling, and road manners
I don't know why people are getting so little wear out of their stock runflats. I have the 16" Goodyear runflats, and I'm over 30k miles and they still aren't at the wear bars. I thought they'd be worn out at 35k, but it looks like they'll make it to 40.
When I do replace them (and I might just replace them at 35k because I'm sick of them
) I'm going to either go w/ the BFGoodrich T/A KDW 2's (great tread life, and nice over-all performance) or Pirelli PZero Neros. The Pirellis are a superior tire, and the treadware rating is 220 VS the stock Goodyears' 240. The only concern is that I hear that they tramline like crazy on our SoCal freeways, due to the rain grooves we have cut into the surface. Otherwise, superior wet/dry handling, and road manners
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Originally Posted by KiLO
Ok, another question for you all.
If I end up getting some lowering springs that lower the car 1.3 inches, I know that I will end up with some negative camber. In order to get the most out of the tires, I would want to rotate them often. Do you know if the tread on either the Proxes 4 or the Falken Ziex's are reversible? Can they run either way?
Thanks!
If I end up getting some lowering springs that lower the car 1.3 inches, I know that I will end up with some negative camber. In order to get the most out of the tires, I would want to rotate them often. Do you know if the tread on either the Proxes 4 or the Falken Ziex's are reversible? Can they run either way?
Thanks!
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Thanks guys! Minihune and Brother, that's all good info.
I decided on the Falken Ziex-512's, mainly because buying them locally, they are about 125.00 cheaper than the Proxes 4's.
The tires so far are great!! Noticeably softer ride than the stock runflats, and they handle much better.
I decided on the Falken Ziex-512's, mainly because buying them locally, they are about 125.00 cheaper than the Proxes 4's.
The tires so far are great!! Noticeably softer ride than the stock runflats, and they handle much better.
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Has anyone tried the new Avon tires available through Tire Rack? According to Alex of Tire Rack, their treadwear is quite good, as is road noise, and the ride is very comfortable. Not for aggressive drivers though, and definitely not a autox or racing tire.
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falken ziex 512
I just went to 215/45/17 falken ziex 512 on kosei k1 17x7.5
I've driven close to 1000 miles and like the ziex on dry pavement. The goodyear runflat served me very well rain & winter in new york. Don't have enough experience with the ziex in the rain yet to have an opinion. They are 10 lbs. lighter than the oe tires and feel plusher. I'd like to try autocross and get some track time at some point. I'll be looking to get 16" k1's with pehaps azenis. I do like the ziex for everyday use, so far they feel like an improovement over oe.
No rubing, not lowered.
I've driven close to 1000 miles and like the ziex on dry pavement. The goodyear runflat served me very well rain & winter in new york. Don't have enough experience with the ziex in the rain yet to have an opinion. They are 10 lbs. lighter than the oe tires and feel plusher. I'd like to try autocross and get some track time at some point. I'll be looking to get 16" k1's with pehaps azenis. I do like the ziex for everyday use, so far they feel like an improovement over oe.
No rubing, not lowered.
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