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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 05:53 AM
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Mike, I think that the lines are somehow a bling or not that needed at my stage. I care for the look so much. I would love the steel look a new lines system would give. But I do not think that they would make difference on reality.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 06:54 AM
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I don't see them as "bling". After all you can't see them unless the wheels are off or the MINI is upside down.

Your call whether you want them or not. Mine work well for me.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 07:09 AM
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I thought you can see them at least the part that get's in the calipar. Everyone is used to the black hose, but when it's metal, I would grab the attention.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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stainless lines are noy just bling they are stroger then stock and can take more stress. i had a friend that race years ago that had a wheel fire becouse his stock brake line brock and put hot brake fluid on to a hotter rotor. fyi that was back in the day you could not upgrade them for scca stuff. i just order my new lines this week for my 07mcs
 
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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I had been following this thread, and because it turned to ss brake lines, I wanted to post this pic to demonstate the difference in quality between the name brand hoses and what we offer.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 07:02 AM
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I'm not sure what we are looking at here. I see three different fittings, a bajo, a female and a male fitting. Are we comparing three different types of fittings? Care to explain?

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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 07:17 AM
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I had to wonder too, then I understood that the first two from top are broken and the product he sells is the at the buttom and with good shape. Keep in mind that the broken ones are used but his product is brand new
 
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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 08:41 AM
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The point here was to show how the top two are constructed, the fitting (end piece) has a very small diameter shank fitted into the hose and is a weak spot, prone to breaking, also they are prone to kinking very easily. The hose on the bottom has an end fitting which incorporates the inner shank (which inserts in the hose) as one piece with the outer crimp fitting for added strength.

Please see this post for more details. https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=133690

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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 09:12 AM
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Dan, not trying to knock your product, they look to be quality hoses, but the two failed hoses look to have been improperly fitted. A properly fit hose will never be trying to kink at the fitting like that. Maybe they are too short and do not allow for a proper bend radus?

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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonsmf
Dan, not trying to knock your product, they look to be quality hoses, but the two failed hoses look to have been improperly fitted. A properly fit hose will never be trying to kink at the fitting like that. Maybe they are too short and do not allow for a proper bend radus?

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Good point Jason,

I did not fit those hoses myself, but they were supposed to be correct for their applications. I know that aftermarket brake hose failures are rare, but I have found a superior product for not much more money, and I am enomoured with the quality and feel it is a better alternative to what has been offered so far. The kinked one on top was improperly fitted and I believe to be a common mistake. The one in the center broke as I turned the wheel to full lock to remove the opposite side caliper for a pad replacement. I would like to point out the fitting construction, because this one broke very easily, the fitting in the bottom pic does not have this weak spot.
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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 01:44 PM
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Something as important as a brake hose is not the place to save a few dollars. I didn't buy mine from you Dan, but I did buy from a reputable NAM vendor who I trust. I won't post the name here, but if anyone wants to know what I bought feel free to PM me.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 05:25 PM
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Sorry to hijack this thread, it was really not my intention.
I like the hawk ceramics enough to stock them, they have a good initial bite, resist fade well, but will overheat with extreme use (but so will the stock pad and the HPS) The HPS does not have as good a first bite as the stock pads, but with a little heat they work very well.

I would be happy to finish the brake hose discussion here https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=133690 And I have also posted a side by side comparison of a few brand new hoses, to be fair.
 

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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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Is HPS Plus avail for JCW Kit
 
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by howsoonisnow1985
Is HPS Plus avail for JCW Kit
Yes, They are $100 front and $76 rear plus shipping, you will like them much better than the green stuff. I also have Carbotech, $131 for the Bobcats fronts and $118 for the rear.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 08:47 AM
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I just did a brake upgrade and replaced the stock pads w/ the HPS. I also replaced the rotors (to Zimmerman drilled), brake lines (to ss) and fluid (to BLUE). It took two attempts to set the pads but now that they are set, I find

cold they appear about the same as stock.
hot they bite better than stock.
 
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