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  • Miscellaneous - High Temperature Silicone O-Rings for Oil Filler Cap - New - 2007 to 2013 Mini R56: "Mk II" Mini Hatch/Hardtop range - Atlanta, GA 30328, United States
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  • Price
    $10
  • Location Atlanta, GA, 30328, USA
  • Condition New
  • Compatibility
Make Model Year
Mini R56: "Mk II" Mini Hatch/Hardtop range 2007 - 2013
Description:

I've got three two (2) sets of two (2) different high temperature silicone o-rings for $10 including shipping if your oil filler cap is leaking like mine was earlier this year.  I also have o-rings for the coolant hose that connects to the bottom of the coolant expansion tank and for the N18 breather tube that connects to the valve cover on the driver's side.  If you want to add one of these onto your order, it'll be $2.50 each.  I will not be selling these separately.

I ended up buying a whole new cap from the dealership in February 2020.  Later, I went looking for a high temperature silicone o-ring for the oil filler cap because it seemed silly to have to spend $30 bucks on a new cap when the issue is the rubber o-ring.  After some searching, I found two good high temperature soft silicone o-rings from McMaster-Carr.

https://www.mcmaster.com/catalog/126/3725/

1. 1173N327 - Thicker
2. 1173N224 - Thinner

You can find the manufacturer specs by searching the page listed above using the model number.  I've been using the thinner one with the new cap for just under 600 miles and I haven't seen any oil leaking from it.

I'm selling one (1) of the thicker and one (1) of the thinner o-rings for $10 including shipping so you can decide which one you'd like to use.

If you decide to buy from McMaster-Carr directly, that's fine.  You might want to also pick up some o-rings for your breather valve, the one of the driver's side of the valve cover that points towards the front of car, and one for the hose that connects to the bottom of the coolant expansion tank.  Here are the part numbers.  I ended up replacing both; I noticed coolant was leaking when I moved the expansion tank during oil changes.

1. 1173N685 - O-ring for the N18 breather tube on the valve cover side
2. 1173N478 - O-ring for the hose that connects to the bottom of the coolant expansion tank

With the thicker o-ring, you won't be able to turn the oil filler cap all the way because of its thickness.  Also, you'll have to press down on the cap to compress the o-ring before you can loosen it.  I've included pictures below so you can see the difference between the two.

Picture #1 - Comparison picture.  Thicker on the left and thinner on the right.
Picture #2 - Thicker o-ring laid on top of a new OEM oil filler cap rubber o-ring.
Picture #3 - Thinner o-ring laid on top of a new OEM oil filler cap rubber o-ring.
Picture #4 - Thicker o-ring installed in an oil filler cap.
Picture #5 - Thinner o-ring installed in an oil filler cap.
Picture #6 - Thicker o-ring placed on top of oil filler hole.
Picture #7 - Thinner o-ring placed on top of oil filler hole.
Picture #8 - Oil filler cap fully tightened with thicker o-ring installed.  The thicker o-ring prevents the last 15 degrees or so of tightening.
Picture #9 - Picture of the N18 breather tube with o-ring installed at the top end.

 

Last edited by aabcds; Dec 3, 2020 at 02:45 PM.
Old Dec 1, 2020 | 03:10 PM
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Is there some discussion elsewhere here about the o-ring issue? I'm pretty sure I have leakage there on a 2008 Clubman S, as after throughly cleaning the area around the filler, I notice a thin film of oil right around the cap. Admittedly, I have the original cap/o-ring (gasket?) from 2008! As a quick fix, I reversed the gasket (doesn't seem an o-ring, or maybe just no longer an "o"!) and stopped for a few days.

Since I have a 2008, I have an N14. Anyone know if either of the other two parts are applicable to the N14, while I'm at it?

Was considering getting the nice aluminum cap from Out Motoring, I notice it has a nice wide gasket.

Presuming the silicone will be superior? (Will ask my Materials Scientist friend this evening...)
 
Old Dec 3, 2020 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jtara
Is there some discussion elsewhere here about the o-ring issue? I'm pretty sure I have leakage there on a 2008 Clubman S, as after throughly cleaning the area around the filler, I notice a thin film of oil right around the cap. Admittedly, I have the original cap/o-ring (gasket?) from 2008! As a quick fix, I reversed the gasket (doesn't seem an o-ring, or maybe just no longer an "o"!) and stopped for a few days.

Since I have a 2008, I have an N14. Anyone know if either of the other two parts are applicable to the N14, while I'm at it?

Was considering getting the nice aluminum cap from Out Motoring, I notice it has a nice wide gasket.

Presuming the silicone will be superior? (Will ask my Materials Scientist friend this evening...)
I would suggest going to the McMaster-Carr website that I linked and getting the measurements to see how they compare to the N14 oil filler cap rubber o-ring.

As far as the material, I'm assuming this high temperature silicone will be superior. I've noticed a lot of kitchen baking supplies are now made of silicone like baking mats and oven mitts.
 
Old Dec 8, 2020 | 10:41 AM
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I checked with my Materials Scientist friend.

He suggested that Viton would be a superior material to Silicone, commenting that he's had a lot of trouble with Silicone seals in vacuum pumps (which he constantly has to rebuild in his work...). He said that contact oil tends to "bulge them".

However, after looking up the properties of Viton, I see it would not be suitable in a cold environment - it is only recommended down to 5 degrees F (-15C).

Did some checking, and I see BMW/Mini use a lot of Buna-N seals. It seems to be a good compromise between the two. Good resistance to oil, and good temperature range include lower temperatures.

Of course, it's not going to be -15 in operation, but certainly sitting overnight, and so the cycling of temperature might not be so good...

I decided to order the fancy aluminum cap, on sale for $25 at Out Motoring.
Edit: Well, I see the Buna-N only goes to 225F, which is uncomfortably close to the 200F running temperature of the coolant. Dunno how hot the cap might get. I do happen to have an accurate digital thermometer with a ribbon surface probe. (I use it for cooking - not to ruin the clad cookware...) I can check now I'm curious.
 

Last edited by jtara; Dec 8, 2020 at 10:49 AM.




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