I am getting camber links, but I don't know which ones I should purchase for price and brand.

Which ones: they are have to be adjustable
Vorshlag
Ruff (these are not adjusted from the Engine Bay or while strut is intalled)
Eibach
Ireland Engineering

Are there any others that I do not know about? Thanks in a advance.

 

Ah yes...the dilemma of choosing camber plates. There are quite a few plates available, and I'm in analysis paralysis because I just can't choose.

There are also KMAC plates which look pretty interesting. Turner Motorsports sells those for $250. They are for coilovers only.

There are TC Kline plates.

The Ruff plates are available from Promini for $250 vs. $300 elsewhere.

Don't forget the eBay plates which look just like the Eibach plates for $160.

My problem trying to decide is I'm looking for adjustability from the engine bay, minimal NVH change, and the ability to adjust my Koni yellows. Anyone have any suggestions?

 

Vorshlag are the best you can get for the R56 by FAR!!! They take a little while to receive, but when you get them they are like crowned jewels! They are extremely robust, aren't noisy, service friendly, and are backed by a great company. I was in this same boat about two years ago and after seeing each example in person it was a very easy choice.

 

I can't justify spending $439.00 on camber plates. So for me Vorshlag is a no go.

 

Are you just looking to increase the negative camber or do you really need to be able to adjust the front camber? If just want to increase negative camber, I would suggest the IE Fixed Plates ($195) for a daily driver.
http://www.waymotorworks.com/ireland...5-r56-r57.html
Adjustable plates are nice but add harseness and are expensive. I find that after the inital camber adjustment to my specs, I never change the camber so the adjustable plates are a little bit of a waste of money. The fixed plates were not available when I purchased my adjustable plates.

 

Yea, I really don't need to adjust the camber negatively, (I am not slamming my car, I am however going to drop it significantly) I just want to make sure that when I lower it, and it decides to neg camber on his own, I can bring it back to 0. (I DO NOT want to add negative camber, nor spend boats loads of money on replacing tires after tires, and I don't particular like the negative camber look any way. No tire stretching for me.

So will non-adjustable plates bring the tire back to 0 degrees? Are non-adjustable plates meant to bring the negative out of the camber and go 0?

 

Well I just read on the site that it makes the tires go 1.2 negative degrees of camber, and so that is not bad, I just don't want to have to replace my tires and have added stress on my whole setup. You know what I mean.

 

Since your lowering the car you need adj camber plates, the fixed ones will give you too much camber when lowered.

Get the Vorshlags and spend your money once.

 

I have a budget for my suspension and the Vorshlag Plates are ridiculously prices at $439. But it would seem that they are the only plates you can adjust in the engine bay. All the other plates need to be adjust off the car, which I think is stupid.

Hey question for ya. Since you guys also are selling the V-Maxx COs, can you tell me if they ship with front adjustable or front shorter end-links? If so, do I need to get rear adjustable/shorter end-links as well?

 

Which is it slamming or not?

If you aren't going crazy low, go BC racing (or Megan, but BC is a better product IMO) and get camber plates included. BC go pretty darn low. Look at some of my pics for reference if you want.

If you are going to slam it I would recommend ST over Vmaxx but either way Eibach plates are probably next best to Vroshlag even if its a long next.

 

Way, I must be confused so maybe you can educate me better on the R56. I did not think that lowering the car would have much impact on the front camber so no real need for camber plates to adjust front camber after lowering. However, lowering will increase the negative camber on the rear so adjustable rear lower control arms are needed to correct the rear camber.

If the OP is not looking to increase front camber for handling purposes but instead due to lowering, I would not think adjustable front camber plates are necessary. However, adjustable rear lower control arms would be necessary.

 

I can see how that is confusing, NO I do not want to slam my car, but I do want to go low, i guess you can say, where you longer see the top of the tire no matter how you look at the tire.

I would consider this guy to have a slammed cooper:
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6...7553053631.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7...3450673631.jpg
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3...00a614346o.jpg

I don't want to go this low, this is extremely low, but I do want to be close enough to where I get rid of that horrible stock wheel gap and i would say .5" to .75" higher where this suspension is at. I don't know, if that is still considered slammed, but that is where I would like to be. Also I did not see your pics, your gallery is empty or I am not looking in the correct place.
Thanks.

 

You say you want to be low enough to not see the top of the tire, but not as low as the car pictured. However you can see the top of the tire in the pictures.

Wheel gap and ride height are not linked in an even ratio. Ride height will decrease with lower suspension and smaller wheels/tires (the car in the link has very small diameter tires). Wheel gap on the other hand will decrease with lower suspension and larger wheels/tires.

The car in the picture is has a lower ride height then me but more wheel gap. His wheel/tire combo is around 1.5" shorter overall then mine.

 

Ok, I understand completely in what you are saying here. But what I am trying to say is I want to eliminate seeing the top most center of the tire, I guess you could say. For example, looking straight down on the tire with it directly in front of you is basically what i have. However, I am seeing this because I have the stock wheel gap. If you understand what I am saying. yes you see the top of the tire or the edge of his tire, because he has 16mm wheel spacers.

In the end I will take your setup. That is what I want. Can I do that with V-Maxx COs or Megan Racing COs, Front and Rear NM Eng Adjustable End-links, Adjustable Camber Plates, and Rear Adjustable Control Arms?

What does your suspension consist of?

 

I am almost at full drop on my BCs. Vmaxx will go lower. Megans will go about the same maybe a little less.

If you haven't researched BC Racing coilovers you should. Honestly if it is a choice between Megans and BCs. Yes the BC cost ~$125 more. IMO they are worth it.

I retract my earlier statement I would go with Ireland Engineering over Eibach for camber plates. Never heard anything but good things about IE.

Megans ~$875
Vmaxx + IE ~$925
BC ~$1000
ST + IE ~$1250

You shouldn't need endlinks with any of them. BC supplies new endlinks. The newest Vmaxx don't require new endlinks, not sure about Megan.

 

I have a thread going for end-links, and everyone says that I need adjustable end-links for V-Maxx, as you are correct they no longer come with them. where did you see 875 for Megans, they are $999. on Outmotoring.com?

 

Can you adjust the Ireland Engineering Camber Plates in the engine bay, while they are installed on the COs.

 

BC Racing BR's come with Camber plates. :-)

 

I typed Megan Racing into google and quoted the first price I found.

According to this: http://www.motoringunderground.com/f...ad.php?t=23356 the Vmaxx no longer require endlinks.

They appear to be adjusted the same as all the other major brands, so yes.

I guess I didn't make that explicitly clear. Also adjustable dampening. They are very similar to the Megans in terms of features. However the design and build quality of BC is far superior IMO.

 

Well BC's are the same price as Megans, so you really can't go wrong in that regard. And they both have the same features, except Megans have 2 more adjustments for damper. (not big deal) I just went on the http://bcracingsuperstore.com/ and saw I guess the right setup for my 09 MCS. However, they don't specify 'S' Type, they just say Cooper and up. So can someone provide me with the correct link to the correct product that work with an R56 09 MCS? Or can someone let me know where they purchased their BC's from?

I think you guys have me sold on the BC's. They have the same features, adjustable dampening, adjustable ride height, and incorporated camber plates. I think I am sold, because you say better overall materials used and built, overall better quality.

I did however read that it comes with rear camber plates, I am little confused on that because, I was told you adjust rear camber with lower adjustable controls arms. Can someone enlighten me on what they mean by rear camber plates? If you can adjust by rear camber plates or by how they set up rear camber then it will save me $239.00 for H-Sport Lower Control Arms. Thanks.

 

Well you can always find Megans on sale for less than BCs, so they really don't end up being the same price.

All second generation Minis have the same core suspension S, non-S, JCW, R55 R56 R57 R58 R59 are all the same.

I bought my suspension used. So I don't have any recommendations for a vendor.

No such thing as rear camber plates. If you want to adjust rear camber you will need control arms.

 

Well, Outmotoring.com sell Megans for $999.95: http://www.outmotoring.com/MINI_coop...coilovers.html
WayMotorWorks sells Megans for $950.00:
http://www.waymotorworks.com/megan-r...5-r56-r57.html
BCRacingSuperStore sells BCs for $999.00:
http://bcracingsuperstore.com/produc...up-mini-cooper

Figured on the Rear Camber Plates not existing: except where I quote from BCRacingSuperStore, "BC's available front and rear camber plates also allow you to get the perfect alignment setup without compromise." But it doesn't matter, because I knew that you need lower control arms to adjust rear camber. Just wanted to make sure that I was not seeing things.

Thanks for all you help.

 

First link on google $860: http://www.racinglab.com/megan-racin...ni-cooper.html

 

This is true, well enjukuracing.com, which is part of the same site as BCRacingSuperStore, says two weeks before they receive shipment in of BC COs. I really don't want to wait that long, but then again I am not really in a mad rush.

 

Speed,

Do you have a Mini club near you. Trying going to one of their meetings to see what others have done and perhaps get a ride to see what you like and what suspension components are needed.