Brake pedal pulsating like abs
Brake pedal pulsating like abs
I have a project 2004 MCS that has had the ABS, low tire pressure light and warning light on since I bought it. I replaced one of the wheel speed sensors that had a cut wire but the lights stayed on. I have a different scanner tool on order that should tell me which sensor is bad. Very rarely when I start the car the 3 warning lights DO NOT come on. While driving it like that the brakes will pulsate like abs right before coming to a stop. Within a few miles the warning lights will come back on and then it will brake completely normal. Any ideas on what could be causing that? I hope to get the wheel speed sensors sorted out in the next week or so but this almost seems like it is something different since it brakes normally when the warning lights are on the vast majority of the time. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your reply. I don’t think it’s a warped rotor because it doesn’t do it at all once the warning lights come back on whether it’s high or slow speed braking. Also the rotors and pads are new all around. It seems like the abs module gets confused or something and just defaults to engaging abs. I don’t know if that’s possible but it’s very strange. Like once the warning lights come back on the system knows that there is a bad wheel speed sensors so it doesn’t engage abs. I don’t know. It’s very strange.
Thanks again for your response. I will definitely check the rotors. I still don't think that is the issue because if a rotor was warped it would always vibrate like that not just when the 3 warning lights are off. When the ABS, low tire pressure and DSC lights are on, the brakes function completely normal and are actually pretty impressive.
Last edited by Moun10; Jul 11, 2018 at 07:11 AM.
I have no idea if this is the reason, but the brake wear sensors are notorious for failing - I had to replace two myself at 50K. I'd just get it scanned to see which one is bad or if thats a pita, just replace them. Get the oem ones, I've heard the aftermarket have their own issues.
The symptoms suggest intermittent failure of one of the 4 wheel speed sensors. Could also be badly corroded tone ring which is a part of the hub as I infer. Let suppose that for some reason one sensor did not get a pulse or two because those tooth one the tone ring is as rotted as in some British mouths
, and that will definitely tell the ABS that wheel is spinning slower all of a sudden. What would you do if you are the ABS faithful servant?
After all, Mini is British so rotted teeth is in the genes. 
Not warped rotor as OP knows. Pad wear sensor has nothing to do with ABS, or low tire pressure warning.
, and that will definitely tell the ABS that wheel is spinning slower all of a sudden. What would you do if you are the ABS faithful servant?
After all, Mini is British so rotted teeth is in the genes. 
Not warped rotor as OP knows. Pad wear sensor has nothing to do with ABS, or low tire pressure warning.
Last edited by pnwR53S; Jul 11, 2018 at 08:39 AM.
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Thanks for your input Subw00er and pnwR53S. As far as the brake wear sensors, I deleted those after they crumbled coming out of the previous worn pads. I trimmed the wires near the plug and heat shrink wrapped everything to keep that light off. I have the wheels off enough that I can monitor the brake pad wear the old fashion way. It seems like I need to get the wheel speed sensors sorted out and then go from there. The way that it is an intermittent failure is what is throwing me off the most. It is like something does not connect or register occasionally at start up and then it takes a mile or two to reconnect. I can tell at start up (before I have moved at all) when it is going to behave this way because after start up the ABS and DSC lights will not be on. The tire pressure light is never on after start up because it has to be driven a bit before it recognizes that there is a wheel speed sensor issue. When it is in the weird state the tire pressure light will not come on after driving a bit. It only comes back on when the ABS and DSC lights come back on. It is at that point that I know the system has reconnected or whatever and then everything works as normal.
Yes. The pad sensor can be wired off by shorting the two conductors. It is normally closed - signifies pads are good.
To OP. You just have to think how ABS, DSC, and flat tire monitor all work relying on the 4 wheel speed sensor. They all have their respective algorithm and ABS and DSC is most complex. Say if the tone ring has 60 teeth, that is 60 pulses per rev. An intermittent skipping of a couple will be detected by ABS and DSC as that wheel being slower than the rest, assuming the car is going straight. These algorithm has to be design to handle when the car is in a turn too, and crazy driver like me trying to crash it.
I infer the speed sensor just a dumb pick up coil, rather than something more sophisticated like Hall effect. Each has only two conductors. It is like a tape recording playback head. Please don't ask what a tape recorder is.
To OP. You just have to think how ABS, DSC, and flat tire monitor all work relying on the 4 wheel speed sensor. They all have their respective algorithm and ABS and DSC is most complex. Say if the tone ring has 60 teeth, that is 60 pulses per rev. An intermittent skipping of a couple will be detected by ABS and DSC as that wheel being slower than the rest, assuming the car is going straight. These algorithm has to be design to handle when the car is in a turn too, and crazy driver like me trying to crash it.
I infer the speed sensor just a dumb pick up coil, rather than something more sophisticated like Hall effect. Each has only two conductors. It is like a tape recording playback head. Please don't ask what a tape recorder is.
Thanks for the additional info pnwR53s. Yeah until I know all of the wheel speed sensors are good and clear all stored codes I can’t really move on to what the next issue may be. It’s still weird to me that I know if the brakes are going to behave this way before any tire rotation at all. Your point about it being tied in with turning is interesting too. I wonder if in some way an intermittent faulty SAS could be playing into this. I’ll start with the wheel speed sensors and go from there.
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