Who's changed the m.a.p. sensors?
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Just interested in what has pointed you to the map sensor? In my case it was very difficult to trouble shoot and diagnose this sensor as the problem
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We were scratching our heads for a long time trying to figure out what was wrong. Eventually I had a hunch that it might be a fault pressure sensor sending wrong information to the ecu.
On the basis of the hunch I changed the sensor, and presto the car boosted normally again. Changed it back and it went into sluggish mode. Changed back and it fixed it again, so definitely the sensor.
The one I changed was the combined temp / pressure sensor BTW.
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Thanx for the contribution! Let me ask, did you experience a "on" and "off" situation with that sensor? In my case, by saying "on" and "off" i mean, that one day it could be working ok but the next day it could have the issue and vice versa!
1. Btw what exactly is sluggish mode?
2. The m.a.p. sensor (manifold absolute pressure) im talking about, is it also known as the combined temp / pressure sensor?
1. Btw what exactly is sluggish mode?
2. The m.a.p. sensor (manifold absolute pressure) im talking about, is it also known as the combined temp / pressure sensor?
Last edited by genik; 07-17-2013 at 02:31 PM.
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Thanx for the contribution! Let me ask, did you experience a "on" and "off" situation with that sensor? In my case, by saying "on" and "off" i mean, that one day it could be working ok but the next day it could have the issue and vice versa!
1. Btw what exactly is sluggish mode?
2. The m.a.p. sensor (manifold absolute pressure) im talking about, is it also known as the combined temp / pressure sensor?
1. Btw what exactly is sluggish mode?
2. The m.a.p. sensor (manifold absolute pressure) im talking about, is it also known as the combined temp / pressure sensor?
Yes, it was the combined temperature and pressure sensor.
This was not on and off in my car. It was not working all the time
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The car had a 2885 boost implausibility code, and would not boost properly, and kept going into full engine power mode not available. When we looked at the car there was a leaking recirculation valve. When we fixed that the car stopped throwing codes and going into full engine power mode. However, it still would not boost properly, it would only boost to a manifold pressure or around 25psi instead of 35psi (it is a JCW). The weird thing is the car threw no codes at all.
We were scratching our heads for a long time trying to figure out what was wrong. Eventually I had a hunch that it might be a fault pressure sensor sending wrong information to the ecu.
On the basis of the hunch I changed the sensor, and presto the car boosted normally again. Changed it back and it went into sluggish mode. Changed back and it fixed it again, so definitely the sensor.
The one I changed was the combined temp / pressure sensor BTW.
We were scratching our heads for a long time trying to figure out what was wrong. Eventually I had a hunch that it might be a fault pressure sensor sending wrong information to the ecu.
On the basis of the hunch I changed the sensor, and presto the car boosted normally again. Changed it back and it went into sluggish mode. Changed back and it fixed it again, so definitely the sensor.
The one I changed was the combined temp / pressure sensor BTW.
I hope not for your stock turbos sake as well as your engine. 2.4bar would be all bad...and quite frankly not happening on stock tune (Limp Mode, Fuel Cut) hell the stock BPV or WGA would never allow you to hold that much boost, or even allow you to spike to it.
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Uh... 35psi
I hope not for your stock turbos sake as well as your engine. 2.4bar would be all bad...and quite frankly not happening on stock tune (Limp Mode, Fuel Cut) hell the stock BPV or WGA would never allow you to hold that much boost, or even allow you to spike to it.
I hope not for your stock turbos sake as well as your engine. 2.4bar would be all bad...and quite frankly not happening on stock tune (Limp Mode, Fuel Cut) hell the stock BPV or WGA would never allow you to hold that much boost, or even allow you to spike to it.
The stock JCW has 19psi boost and 21psi overboost which is an absolute manifold pressure of 33.5psi and 35.5psi (ie boost + atmospheric of 14.5psi)
The thread is about replacement the manifold absolute pressure sensor, therefore I was talking about manifold absolute pressure, not boost.
The car was stock, and running the boost levels mini designed for a factory JCW
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robbo mcs, what else should i should i be looking to check for solving this strange "on and off" issue (that one day it boosts normally and the other day there is loss of power and back to normal again later)?
oh and one other thing, did you change both of the map sensors or just one of them?
oh and one other thing, did you change both of the map sensors or just one of them?
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robbo mcs, what else should i should i be looking to check for solving this strange "on and off" issue (that one day it boosts normally and the other day there is loss of power and back to normal again later)?
oh and one other thing, did you change both of the map sensors or just one of them?
oh and one other thing, did you change both of the map sensors or just one of them?
You really need a decent code reader and need to see what codes you are getting to take it further. It could be one of hundreds of things literally.
Also something that can either monitor or datalog parameters would be a huge help, eg what manifold pressure you are achieving.
Do you have a decent code reader or access to a garage that does?
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My mechanic uses the autologic system.
Both of these read all BMW codes and shadow codes. Any decent mechanic working on BMW's will have software that can read the codes. Without that you really are guessing
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See if you can get some comparision data from a similair JCW on how fast your turbo is spooing up. The boost plausibility error means the turbo is not spooling up quick enough for the ECU. That means either a boost leak (you'd probably hear that but easy to test for) or you turbo is on the way out.
How do I know this? I've already been down the path your going. The culprit ended up being the turbo, more specifically the waste gate on the turbo was leaking by.
My turbo is at G-Pop Shop in Springdale, Arkansas for repair an upgrade right now.
How do I know this? I've already been down the path your going. The culprit ended up being the turbo, more specifically the waste gate on the turbo was leaking by.
My turbo is at G-Pop Shop in Springdale, Arkansas for repair an upgrade right now.
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I know that once I started having issues (P2085) I replaced just about every sensor including the MAP, MAF, IA Temperature and both O2 sensors. Things would seem to work for a bit and then the problem was back. I pressurized the intake system to 22.5 PSIg and had no leaks. I also replaced the BOV.
The issue first started with the tune I was running but as the turbo degraded it then showed up while running the factory tune. We were then able to compare the turbo response with similar MINIs to ferret out the problem. It was not boosting fast enough. I got my hands on a turbo with about 8K miles on it and the problem was gone.
This problem is also much more prevalent in warm weather since our ECUs use a torque demand to drive boost. Simply put, when it’s warmer out the engine requires more boost to meet the torque demand requested by the ECU and the turbo cannot keep up.
My MINI has always had an appetite for oil but it's been consistent over the years. I saw no oil issues withing the turbo.
The issue first started with the tune I was running but as the turbo degraded it then showed up while running the factory tune. We were then able to compare the turbo response with similar MINIs to ferret out the problem. It was not boosting fast enough. I got my hands on a turbo with about 8K miles on it and the problem was gone.
This problem is also much more prevalent in warm weather since our ECUs use a torque demand to drive boost. Simply put, when it’s warmer out the engine requires more boost to meet the torque demand requested by the ECU and the turbo cannot keep up.
My MINI has always had an appetite for oil but it's been consistent over the years. I saw no oil issues withing the turbo.
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If you read my post fully, you would have noted that I said "boosted to a manifold pressure of 35psi".
The stock JCW has 19psi boost and 21psi overboost which is an absolute manifold pressure of 33.5psi and 35.5psi (ie boost + atmospheric of 14.5psi)
The thread is about replacement the manifold absolute pressure sensor, therefore I was talking about manifold absolute pressure, not boost.
The car was stock, and running the boost levels mini designed for a factory JCW
The stock JCW has 19psi boost and 21psi overboost which is an absolute manifold pressure of 33.5psi and 35.5psi (ie boost + atmospheric of 14.5psi)
The thread is about replacement the manifold absolute pressure sensor, therefore I was talking about manifold absolute pressure, not boost.
The car was stock, and running the boost levels mini designed for a factory JCW
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...and yesterday CEL light shut off, *** works again and boost is back! Then i checked it with an error code machine and P2187 came up (as a pending error), any thoughts on the matter?
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