parking brake light?! mini on a lift image!?
#26
Not sure if you actually need to inspect wear sensors, or if it's just recommended. Anyone who has used up their brakes at 27,000 miles is either driving a race-car, or seriously mental. I have never heard of factory brakes lasting less than 50,000 miles.
I bought my first MINI in 2002 and have been working on them since. IME most folks will go thru a set of OE pads in less than 30,000 ... I'm pretty much a 'nanny' driver and seldom got more than 25,000 out of a set of OE or EBC. On the flip side the pads on my Miata were good for over 120,000 miles.
I feel sorry for the people who take their mini to the dealer and get shafted out hundreds of dollars when they are misled by service advisors.
Knowing what to look for brake pad wise IS a good idea. I had a MINI dealer tell me I needed new pads 'right now' on my 2002, which had no wear sensors btw. My miles was just over 30,000 and I'd just passed out of pre-pay maint' and the dealer had not changed pads under maint'. So I asked him to show me .... I knew I'd changed pads about 5k back .... oh, I guess we got cars mixed, up, sorry . . Brakes are one of those things, people who don't know are wise enuf not to ignore ... sadly it often costs them money. I know it cost ME money until I learned how SIMPLE it is to look/see.
I've posted pictures MANY times of what a good pad and a 'needs to be replaced' pad looks like from the OUTSIDE of the wheel. Need I do that again?
Lastly, the GEN2 MINI has TWO brake wear systems. One is a miles counter that tries to judge your driving vs wear. Not much different from the oil change warning ... it mostly counts miles. When it gets to zero you get a light. You can reset that light thru the OBC. First time mine came on in my 7, I looked at the pads and reset the light ... I had plenty of pad left. The other system is the wear sensor which trips when the pad gets thin enuf to wear the sensor tip off and break a wire. The only way to turn off the light in this case is to close the short caused by the broken wire in the sensor. Two ways to do this: replace the pads and install a new sensor; cut off the sensor and splice the sensor' wire ends together . . .
btw - because of how the sensor works .. cleaning off gunk won't do anything. One could say it TRIPS by having the gunk cleaned off . . .
here's a tripped sensor, still in the worn pad ... look closely in the circles and you can see the stubs of the wire imbedded in the plastic. The pad thinned allowing the sensor to contact the rotor. As the rotor ate the pads it also ate the tip of the sensor. Eventually the tip of the sensor wore enuf so that the imbedded wire loop was broken. The resulting open circuit causes the warning light.
I bought my first MINI in 2002 and have been working on them since. IME most folks will go thru a set of OE pads in less than 30,000 ... I'm pretty much a 'nanny' driver and seldom got more than 25,000 out of a set of OE or EBC. On the flip side the pads on my Miata were good for over 120,000 miles.
I feel sorry for the people who take their mini to the dealer and get shafted out hundreds of dollars when they are misled by service advisors.
Knowing what to look for brake pad wise IS a good idea. I had a MINI dealer tell me I needed new pads 'right now' on my 2002, which had no wear sensors btw. My miles was just over 30,000 and I'd just passed out of pre-pay maint' and the dealer had not changed pads under maint'. So I asked him to show me .... I knew I'd changed pads about 5k back .... oh, I guess we got cars mixed, up, sorry . . Brakes are one of those things, people who don't know are wise enuf not to ignore ... sadly it often costs them money. I know it cost ME money until I learned how SIMPLE it is to look/see.
I've posted pictures MANY times of what a good pad and a 'needs to be replaced' pad looks like from the OUTSIDE of the wheel. Need I do that again?
Lastly, the GEN2 MINI has TWO brake wear systems. One is a miles counter that tries to judge your driving vs wear. Not much different from the oil change warning ... it mostly counts miles. When it gets to zero you get a light. You can reset that light thru the OBC. First time mine came on in my 7, I looked at the pads and reset the light ... I had plenty of pad left. The other system is the wear sensor which trips when the pad gets thin enuf to wear the sensor tip off and break a wire. The only way to turn off the light in this case is to close the short caused by the broken wire in the sensor. Two ways to do this: replace the pads and install a new sensor; cut off the sensor and splice the sensor' wire ends together . . .
btw - because of how the sensor works .. cleaning off gunk won't do anything. One could say it TRIPS by having the gunk cleaned off . . .
here's a tripped sensor, still in the worn pad ... look closely in the circles and you can see the stubs of the wire imbedded in the plastic. The pad thinned allowing the sensor to contact the rotor. As the rotor ate the pads it also ate the tip of the sensor. Eventually the tip of the sensor wore enuf so that the imbedded wire loop was broken. The resulting open circuit causes the warning light.
Last edited by Capt_bj; 07-19-2014 at 02:32 PM.
#27
You are welcome, hope you were able to fix it. There are a lot of threads on this website asking about this same issue, so I hope anyone looking for their answer will eventually see here.
#28
Same problem with mini on lift light
i was driving to lunch this afternoon and as i was slowing down to a light, and heard the dong-dong of the OBC in the car, and saw a red mini on a lift. it looked terifying so i was a little worried haha. i then looked at my tach and speedo to see which lights had come on and its the BRAKE light, for the parking brake lit up red. i called my dealership and they said it may just be some debris near the sensor (or something like that, he wasnt speaking very clearly), and to turn off my car, wait a few minutes and turn it back on.
ok i thought, so i tried it to no avail. there was a lot of crap on the roads from this past weeks hail storm (yeah ice in august in NY, what is this world coming to?!) so i hosed off my car, and cleaned my wheels pretty thoroughly and the wheel wells too. got in, drove around the neighborhood for a few minutes, but the light is still there.
anyone else have this problem? what did you do?!
ok i thought, so i tried it to no avail. there was a lot of crap on the roads from this past weeks hail storm (yeah ice in august in NY, what is this world coming to?!) so i hosed off my car, and cleaned my wheels pretty thoroughly and the wheel wells too. got in, drove around the neighborhood for a few minutes, but the light is still there.
anyone else have this problem? what did you do?!
#29
I was on my second set of OEM pads when the wear sensors gave a warning at about 45k miles, and we are not hard on brakes. The black dusty OEM pads are just soft. I replaced them with dustless Akebonos, wirh new sensors, and the difference is truly freaking amazing. No dust and far better pedal modulation and stopping. BTW, on my Mini, on all 4 corners the inside pads were all SIGNIFICANTLY more worn than the outside, easy to see pads, which had plenty of pad left. Do NOT ASSUME the wear is equal and base an evaluation on the easy to see outer pad. I don't knowmif this is common to all Minis or just the S cars. The difference between each pads thickness was more than any other car I've ever done a brake job on.
#30
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