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Air Conditioner Compressor vs. Mods - Dealer Warranty Issue

Old May 28, 2007 | 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by enologuy
... However, I may apply the logic mentioned earlier in this thread regarding the situation of someone driving at highway speeds in 4th gear - essentially creating the same scenario as adding a larger pulley. Does driving in 4th gear at 70 mph void the warranty?...
I don't get this logic. Unless they claim that your AC compressor did too many total revolutions, it doesn't work. The (only partially reasonable, IMO) rationale would be that the AC was overspun, which would happen in ANY gear at redline. If it's spun over its design threshold, that would be an issue, not a higher average rate of revolution.
Another argument would be the lack of a harmonic balancer, which may transmit non-OEM level vibrations through the belt. Probably a stretch, but no worse than 'they all do that'...

Wishing you luck though!
 
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Old May 28, 2007 | 04:20 AM
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I removed my 2% and 15% before taking in for repairs (cooling fan faulty/overheating), but yes I had to lie to the dealer to get it fixed. It worked for me, but I would not suggest it unless you have little or no morals. I did meet someone from bayarea that got denied due to same mods as mine, but he knew the consequenses of mods, plus he had the means to pay for repairs. But now I feel guilty that he paid $960 for labor@$160per hour (btw techs in socal get around 20 bucks while dealer makes the rest) plus another several hundred for cooling fan/relay assembly, some kind of wire harness all because I laked integrity-and got mine fixed for free. I am disgusted at my
lack of integrity, I mean poor MINI/BMW I basically committed, by way of deception, a theft of parts and labor. How would MINIUSA ever forgive me how will the god forgive me more importantly how will DAFLAKE ever forgive me. But it is not my fault it is just the society,in the era of me, that made me do it, I did not consider the consequences. But I am reformed now. It is no longer all about me. How dare you suggest to lie to the dealer you EVILDOERS!! You must be connected to Al Queda? JK just trying to illustrate how absurd it is and how full of oneself one can be.
 
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Old May 28, 2007 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by howsoonisnow1985
I removed my 2% and 15% before taking in for repairs (cooling fan faulty/overheating), but yes I had to lie to the dealer to get it fixed. It worked for me, but I would not suggest it unless you have little or no morals. I did meet someone from bayarea that got denied due to same mods as mine, but he knew the consequenses of mods, plus he had the means to pay for repairs. But now I feel guilty that he paid $960 for labor@$160per hour (btw techs in socal get around 20 bucks while dealer makes the rest) plus another several hundred for cooling fan/relay assembly, some kind of wire harness all because I laked integrity-and got mine fixed for free. I am disgusted at my
lack of integrity, I mean poor MINI/BMW I basically committed, by way of deception, a theft of parts and labor. How would MINIUSA ever forgive me how will the god forgive me more importantly how will DAFLAKE ever forgive me. But it is not my fault it is just the society,in the era of me, that made me do it, I did not consider the consequences. But I am reformed now. It is no longer all about me. How dare you suggest to lie to the dealer you EVILDOERS!! You must be connected to Al Queda? JK just trying to illustrate how absurd it is and how full of oneself one can be.
I'll bet you would be pretty pissed of if somebody stole from you.
 
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Old May 28, 2007 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mozzarella
I'll bet you would be pretty pissed of if somebody stole from you.
They would, but it is justifiable as this is a large company and they are just a little guy that can’t afford to pay for the repairs… Oh wait, they wouldn’t have to pay for the repairs if they didn’t mod in the first place. I'm also starting to see a trend on the level of individual posting.

This is going to be my last post on this topic for me as they seem to be crawling from under rocks to post flame attacks now.

Oh, and one last thing... The next time you guys (not mozzarella) go to the store and complain about cost, you only have yourself to blame. I say this, because you guys probably do the same thing at other stores thus driving those prices up there as well. The rest of us consumers really appreciate your hard work.
 

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Old May 28, 2007 | 11:17 AM
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A couple of points -

1. Chows is right. Speaking to lawyers, retired judges, etc. during my attempt to make Mini USA honor their warranty I quickly found out that the M-M Act is worthless. Anyone who tells you to threaten a dealership with it is naive - the manufacturer knows all too well how empty those threats are.

Secondly, remember, that the dealership isn't refusing to honor your warranty on a whim - they are doing so because they have been told by the manufacturer that they will not be reimbursed for repairs on modded cars. They don't give a crap about your threats, it's an issue with the manufacturer, not the dealer.

2. Recently, a member of one of the Evo forums took the time to do a forensic investigation of his engine failure, spending a good deal of time and money proving that his mods were not the cause of his issues. He agreed to go to arbitration with Mitsubishi and guess what - he lost.

3. For all of you who are fretting about the morality of changing your car back to stock in order to get an item repaired under warranty - I caution you with this - don't be so quick to admonish anyone for doing this.

MiniUSA has a proud tradition of violating car warranties for the lightest of mods, cars being spotted at HDPE events, etc. When it's your turn in the barrel and the manufacturer is hitting you with a $3K item that should be covered under your warranty we'll see how quick you are to judge someone next time.

The fact is that MiniUSA has used aftermarket car stereos, CAI installs, pulleys and even hardwired radar detector installs to invalidate warranty claims on both the body and engine wiring harnesses. These were issues so prevalent that detailed TSBs had been issued on both items. Service Departments were instructed to note - in particular - aftermarket head unit installs for future denial of BC1 harness repairs.
 
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Old May 28, 2007 | 11:33 AM
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When I did the mod's to my car I knew damn well I was risking the warrany and I did it anyway, if something breaks because of that I guess it's my nickel.
 
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Old May 28, 2007 | 11:42 AM
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Someday with hard work...I hope that I too, will be able to sit in moral judgement on all those that I survey...Thanks for the moral instruction and I will strive to do better in the future...
 

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Old May 28, 2007 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Skiploder

... Chows is right. Speaking to lawyers, retired judges, etc. during my attempt to make Mini USA honor their warranty I quickly found out that the M-M Act is worthless. Anyone who tells you to threaten a dealership with it is naive ...
And you know what Skip ... Its not just this board but I have read the same naive advice on others. Again, if anybody got emperical data of actual court cases won against a car maker because of performance modes the consumer made not involving the dealer ... plz post.

It's sad because throwing around the MM name provides false hope to ppl.
 
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Old May 28, 2007 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by chows4us
...It's sad because throwing around the MM name provides false hope to ppl.
Unfortunately, a lot of aftermarket vendors use M-M to encourage the potential customer to buy their goodie. Then, when something goes wrong, the customer has been convinced that M-M is there to "protect" them.
 
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Old May 28, 2007 | 06:29 PM
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Unfortunately, I have to agree, MM isn't worth two bits to the consumer. It's false hope.

Car dealerships simply don't operate on the "spirit" of the law. The best you will do, and that's if you're willing to lawyer up and go the distance is *maybe*!!!!!!11111onesones (did I stress that enough? ) a settlement for the cost of your repair... maybe. Consider what your own time is worth before following this course.

The auto manufacturer is at a distinct advantage, and however much you *think* MM is there for the consumer it is only there as false hope. Anyone who is relying on MM has a big surprise coming.
 
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