...i had a feeling that was going to show up again.

 

you is so funny

 

 

Some were referring to a thread with his phone # & a whole threatening theme got going so the thread was rightfully closed.

I didn't see the idiot while I was at the dragon but saw plenty of other idiot drivers If you have a problem with the guy handle it yourself privately. No need to announce your hatred or pending handling of the hatred in a thread. Just be like Nike

 

Perhaps there is a better way to get the point across?

Is there any way to deny chronic offenders from participating in MOTD 2007 activities? I know that he/she will not be welcome on the scenic drive if I organize again next year.

I know that it's a public road and that anyone can tag along who wishes to follow the group, but I'll simply cancel the event rather than have someone recklessly endanger the lives of more sensible participants.

Killboy caugh him/her in the act: http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/55/3348/1024/00010.jpg

I realize that crossing the yellow happens every now and then. It happened at least once to me as I mis-judged the apex of a turn. I learned from the experience, though, and slowed down until I had a better understanding of the road. Chronic crossing of the yellow, however, and passing of any sort should not be tolerated.

That road, in particular, requires a great deal of respect. I was very much looking forward to the midnight run, but I felt that I was too tired to give the road the attention it deserves and I skipped it to make my fellow motorists (and myself) safer.

There is a way to enjoy the road without needlessly endangering others. Please save the other stuff for the track.

 

I wish these threads had existed when I was in high school -- I wouldn't have had to read Lord of the Flies...

 

Ok, I know that people are upset over this person's conduct.

While I didn't go to this year's event, I know who everybody is upset about, and I met and witnessed this person's conduct last year.

Unsafe or not, banning this person from NAM due to conduct off the site is just unrealistic, nor is it fair. While NAM is arguably the largest MINI community in North America, do you really want it to be the "enforcer" of the MINI world?

You guys want NAM to ban this person (regardless of the fact that they don't frequent the site very often) because he upset some people (ok a lot of people) in public... How would you feel if you were informed that you were banned from a website or elsewhere based on you conduct elsewhere?

As for the potential to ban this person from future MOTD events, that might be more realistic. However, that decision would be up to the organizers of next year's event.

But keep in mind a few things... Odds are all that the organizers could do is prevent this person from registering, they can't stop him from coming down and staying at the hotel or driving on any of the roads.. Which means they can't stop his poor conduct.

Then there's the fact that this event, and most other MINI events have traditionally been "all-inclusive" events. Are you all comfortable with the precedent that banning a person from an event would set?

 

Who is next for the ????

 

Okay guys...

We all have our own thoughts on the accused. I've met him. He's a decent guy. And if you go on Killboy's website, a LOT of you were over the line. He has maybe a wheel over, some of you have your ENTIRE CAR in the other lane.

I've pointed fingers in the past. But even I, a Dragon veteran, have accidentally crossed the line (see my sig pic). I know what he did was wrong, but I'm sure he realizes that seeing as how everyone has ground it into his head.

The Accused is a different sort of bloke. I've actually found that I like him. I'm sure what has happened will not be repeated in the future.

And, those of you who say that he shouldn't be at the dragon next year - grow up. It's not anyone's event. It is everyone's event. Individually. If he is to mess up next year, pull him aside in person and talk to him about it. Don't flame him on the message boards.

 

No point in flaming him continually. Let him come next year.

THE DRAGON WILL OWN HIM!!!
(perhaps like this...)



I predict someday we'll see his little rice-a-roni-mc-hoopty rims on the tree of shame. I just pray he doesn't affect anyone else's safety in the future.

 

I was not at the Dragon this year, so I will be the first to say I don't know all the facts. However, having read this thread(and part of the other one) and seeing all the references to unsafe activities by this individual, why has everyone waited until after the event to ask for something to be done. If the activities were so prevalent and unsafe, why was no action taken at the time it occurred? Was the individual confronted by anyone to stop his unsafe behavior when it was observed? If so, and it didn't resolve the problems, then something else needs to be done as it is obvious that they don't take everyone else's safety and well-being into consideration.

If this type of unsafe behavior occurred in your neighborhood, many people would contact the police to resolve the situation. Could this have been done in this situation?

I can understand not wanting to create any additional problems at an event like this, and if it can be handled without law enforcement intervention I am for that 100%. But you must keep in mind not doing anything when this activity occurs increases the chance of the that behavior continuing and most likely getting worse. Eventually someone could get hurt(or worse) and then law enforcement WILL get involved and the long term consequences of that could be much worse than an early one-time police involvement. If a serious accident occurs because of this person's behavior, it will become known that this activity has been an ongoing problem, and yet nothing was done to stop it. That will reflect negatively on this event and on all of us as a group.

Just my 2 cents.

 

This is funny because this exact thing happened on www.nemini.org a few months ago. Some lady from jersey didn't like how someone supposedly drove on a highway that she was nowhere near (she read about it), so she promptly banned the chap from one of the organization's events which she was running.

I saw her point, but the best point is made above, in that a scary precedent is set with the action. Said precedent was set, and we have not seen the last of the "bans" over there. Sad, really, that people would rather dictate than work with adults on a personal level.

mb

 

 

I didn't personally witness what the guy did 1st hand but if it was really as bad as I have heard & was witnessed by so many I gotta politely disagree. If all is true he should be banned from NAM for his conduct. No it won't stop him from coming to the dragon but it will send a much needed message to him (& warning to other copy cats too).

I second that. If I had witnessed the behavior that I have seen described I would have immediately said something to the guy face-to-face. I taint scared of no stinkin Mini drivers But seriously I would have said something on the spot. People can't read our minds

 

I would have said something... but I was pulled off to the side taking pictures as he was fully across the double yellow passing someone on a turn.

Wasn't about to go chasing after him.

That... and I'm VERY scared of fighting anyone! What with being a 6 foot stick an-all.

 

*shaking head*
Start a black list. No excuse for letting this clown in a second year.

 

um... this was his second year.... behaving badly anyhow...

 

Just to let you know, he was spoken to this year in person and told that he was not welcome to drive like anymore on the mountain. So the theory about bashing online anonymously is completly false. Not only was he called out in person. But me and the driver have been having communications through PM's on NAM, and from the way that he has responded to my comments, he does not think he has done anything wrong. ALSO please read that some of you might have the wrong impression about what this driver did. The picture on killboy.com did portray him going over the double line, but that has NOTHING to do with the fact that he passed MINI's numerous times, including one directly in front of my car putting him in my direct path, AROUND A CORNER! You members who just want to dismiss this as if it were nothing are going to be eating your words when this guy wipes out a friend of yours. I dont care if they ban him from NAM, I dont even care if they ban him from MOTD events, because your right he can drive anywhere he wants. But I am sure as hell not going to let him think that he has gotten along with anything. I also dont care how any of you feel about the fellow personally either, I dont care if hes royalty, if he puts me or my friends in danger, hes going to hear it! I dont much care for this "politically correct" behavior that I see going on in these forums. It is a shame that some members would be letting something as big as this go. I feel that I have been pretty fair up until this point, but this is getting ridiculous. I dont care what is done or not done to this member, but you will be changing your tune if he shows up next year and you find yourself facing a car head on and it turns out the driver is the person that we are speaking of today. Because "accidents happen", and "we should let it go" so we dont hurt his feelings of him Well get over it! This is life and you are going to have to deal with problems like this from time to time, and if you brush it under the rug everytime youre never going to accomplish anything. You guys might think I am a coward for singleing him out online, but I am not singleing him out online, and I am not doing it anonymously either. I am just doing what is right, and dealing with a situation the way it should be dealt with, up front. Everybody makes mistakes, I am the first one to admit that, but when you repeatedly do something despite what MANY people tell you not to. That is not simply a mistake, that is ingnorance, selfisness and egotistical. Say what you want. I will post for you what was said back and forth to each other on PM's and you can judge for yourself if you think that he is sincelry sorry. Because it sure as hell seems like he thinks he was in his driving capabilities. Im done

 

PM him back! passing in a double-yellow zone is ILLEGAL. Passing on a corner isn't aggressive, it is foolish and dangerous.

 

wow... talk about justification through narcissism and ignorance.

 

 

heh, from the sounds of his replies, he is enjoying every minute of this discussion, and is the type of person that LOVES it when people get mad at him. I would stop humouring him. Bottom line is, his car is ugly, and his gf as stupid as he is. I guess they suit each other. I just hope that when he is showing off to her next year (or any other slag he brings) he doesnt kill her after wrapping that EB POS around a tree.

GMINI: Bring your car to a track, and become somebodys beech.

 

He is enjoying the discussion and probably trying to 'push buttons' as well... He's definitly the Narcissist.

 

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