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Old May 23, 2006 | 09:19 PM
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You were saying that HP= acceleration..

Originally Posted by Andrewsky
What's your point?
the units don't work.

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Old May 23, 2006 | 09:25 PM
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Hi Gabe...

Thanks for the link, and the excellent interview.... Too bad about some of the answers too.....

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Old May 23, 2006 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
the units don't work.

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Who's units? Which ones?
 
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Old May 23, 2006 | 10:38 PM
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The formula is actually

P = TN/5250

where:
P = Power, hp
N = Rotational shaft speed, rpm
T = Torque, lb-ft

This is a rotational horsepower breakdown of the 'classic' definition of one horsepower equalling 33,000 pounds lifted one foot in one minute.

Since 'horsepower' is not a directly measured unit per se (it comes from a measurement of torque over a period of time) this formula and it's results are often quite predictable. Slow revving diesel engines will always produce a higher torque number than horsepower numbers. Screaming, tiny engines will tend to have the opposite effect. The kicker is, no matter the type of engine, if it is able to spin at 5250 rpm and make power, the horsepower will always equal the torque.
 
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Old May 23, 2006 | 11:28 PM
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Greatbear is on the money...

Originally Posted by Andrewsky
Who's units? Which ones?
Acceleration is in units of meters per second squared (in metric).

Power is not kg meters per second squared (in metric).

Power is kg meters squared per second squared (in metric)

This is called dimensional analysis.

Power isn't equal to acceleration. One is an apple, the other is an orange.

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Old May 24, 2006 | 07:39 AM
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Ugh, dimensional analysis...brings back memories (of last semester ).
 
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Old May 24, 2006 | 08:04 AM
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Don't knock it!

Originally Posted by kapps
Ugh, dimensional analysis...brings back memories (of last semester ).
If you carry the units, and they don't work out (like your time is in units of meters), you know you have a problem! Dimensional Analysis is just fractions... If you think of it that way, it's not as intimidating.

FWIW, there's a unit set called natural units, where c=1 along with a lot of other constants that I don't remember any more (theoretical physicists use it a lot), and then they just add all the constants at the end to make the units work! Makes the algebra easier.... I was never good at it.

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Old May 24, 2006 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
Acceleration is in units of meters per second squared (in metric).

Power is not kg meters per second squared (in metric).

Power is kg meters squared per second squared (in metric)

This is called dimensional analysis.

Power isn't equal to acceleration. One is an apple, the other is an orange.

Matt
Oh, I know.

When I said "Power is acceleration," what I really meant was "power determines the rate of acceleration (because gearing is indirectly involved)."

Sorry for the confusion.
 
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Old May 24, 2006 | 08:13 AM
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I'm just a physicist..

Originally Posted by Andrewsky
Oh, I know.

When I said "Power is acceleration," what I really meant was "power determines the rate of acceleration (because gearing is indirectly involved)."

Sorry for the confusion.
looking to keep a little clarity on subjects that are abused by almost all. Fact is, power and acceleration are realted, but torque at the wheels is what detetmins acceleration. You can have a lot of power at higher speeds, with little acceleration. That's just the way it is.

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Old May 24, 2006 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
looking to keep a little clarity on subjects that are abused by almost all. Fact is, power and acceleration are realted, but torque at the wheels is what detetmins acceleration. You can have a lot of power at higher speeds, with little acceleration. That's just the way it is.

Matt
You're right, torque at the wheels determines acceleration.

You're also right that power is one variable in the formula to see how a car will perform.

I think the best thing to do is find the total area underneath the torque curve on a graph.
 
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