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2007 Mini Cooper S Misfiring After Going Up A Steep Hill
Hey, I was driving my 2007 cooper S (auto) today and came to a pretty steep hill about a mile long, going about 55-60mph. About a quarter of the way up I notice a miss, almost like the transmission tried to shift but didn't. Then, about halfway up the hill, the engine started shuddering/shaking and slowing down.
I made it up the hill and then a couple more miles down the road to a gas station. The engine felt fine unless I put it into 6th gear (I switched to manual mode) it would start shuddering again. When I pulled into the gas station and came to a stop the engine was shuddering pretty bad.
I just so happened to have my scan tool in the back, so I plugged it in and it showed these codes:
2A56 - Oxygen Sensor Heating After CAT Function
2777 - Combustion Misfire Cylinder 3
2D52 - DME Super Knocking
2DCD - Fuel Shutoff Due To Super Knocking in Cylinder 3
2781 - Combustion Misfire Several Cylinders
2771 - Combustion Misfire Cylinder 1
2775 - Combustion Misfire Cylinder 3
277D - Combustion Misfire Cylinder 2
I cleared the codes, switched the scanner to show misfires on each cylinder, started it, and it immediately would start misfiring, showing mainly cylinder 2 but 1 and 4 were also.
After sitting there for awhile, trying to figure out what to do, I decided to drive it back home.
I had the scanner on the misfire graph, and found that above 3,200 rpm there was no misfire, anything below that cylinder 4 would misfire like crazy, and if going really slow they were all pretty much misfiring.
When I got home I checked the codes again and it only showed these:
2781 - Combustion Misfire Several Cylinders
2775 - Combustion Misfire Cylinder 3
2771 - Combustion Misfire Cylinder 1
277D - Combustion Misfire Cylinder 2
I haven't done any investigation besides the codes. I don't really have any idea of where to start. Could be timing related, compression related, valve related, etc.
Any direction would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I would start with new coils and plugs, and see how it does after that. Sounds like the engine might have gotten a little hot going up the hill. Ignition coils don’t like heat.
You probably have valve seat or timing issues. Timing and valves are more likely to cause misfires in multiple cylinders.
Going up a long hill generates a lot of heat in the engine, and that's when valve seats in N series engines tend to drop. When they drop; it can be multiple valve seats dropping. In my latest case N12 engine, I had three seats drop the same time, but I had a hot idle misfire on cylinder 2 for some time. At higher RMPs the engine would not misfire. Here's what the seats look like when they drop.
Cyl 2
Cyl 3
Cyl 4
The N14 engine doesn't have Valvetronic as far as I know (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). So that's strange that your misfire would go away at higher RPMs (makes sense on a Valvetronic engine). With higher RPM, combustion chamber pressure increases, and if it's a secondary ignition problem the misfire condition will get worse not better.
What's next? #1. You need a compression and leak down test. That engine has 10:5/1 compression. The book spec for compression is the same as for an N12, 8-12 bar (or 116 PSI - 174 PSI with no more than 3 bar difference between the max an min cylinders (43 PSI).
If the compression check is bad, then perform the leak-down test to find out where the air is going.
Don't put any money into the car until you do these tests.
You probably have valve seat or timing issues. Timing and valves are more likely to cause misfires in multiple cylinders.
Going up a long hill generates a lot of heat in the engine, and that's when valve seats in N series engines tend to drop. When they drop; it can be multiple valve seats dropping. In my latest case N12 engine, I had three seats drop the same time, but I had a hot idle misfire on cylinder 2 for some time. At higher RMPs the engine would not misfire. Here's what the seats look like when they drop.
Cyl 2
Cyl 3
Cyl 4
The N14 engine doesn't have Valvetronic as far as I know (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). So that's strange that your misfire would go away at higher RPMs (makes sense on a Valvetronic engine). With higher RPM, combustion chamber pressure increases, and if it's a secondary ignition problem the misfire condition will get worse not better.
What's next? #1. You need a compression and leak down test. That engine has 10:5/1 compression. The book spec for compression is the same as for an N12, 8-12 bar (or 116 PSI - 174 PSI with no more than 3 bar difference between the max an min cylinders (43 PSI).
If the compression check is bad, then perform the leak-down test to find out where the air is going.
Don't put any money into the car until you do these tests.
Thanks for the reply, I did put new spark plugs in, but that did not fix anything.
I then did a compression test...
No maintenance on that engine! Those plugs look horrible ... may be original. Need a leakdown test to see what the leak-down is for each cylinder and to find out where the air is leaking out.