R56 Are you a coaster or a shifter?
I heel and toe every time i am coming to a stop, love the feeling of being able to perfectly match the revs, even more so before i enter a turn. For me it is all about being as smooth as i can be driving, weather it is on the road, Autocrossing, or the track, I practice my drivintg skills everytime i am behind the wheel.
When I am done and the car is parked, its just like the checklist when I fly, everything gets shut down.
When I am done and the car is parked, its just like the checklist when I fly, everything gets shut down.
I downshift and let the engine do the braking. I leave every thing on when shutting the engine down.
Im no king but have raced cars/motorcycles competitively for pretty much my entire life. Brakes are there for a reason, and its not the gearboxes job to slow a car. Hmm why did Nissan just put a rev-matching gearbox in their 370z if it was the gearboxes job to slow the car? Do some of that learnin' young buck before you comment on something you know nothing about.
1) I coast in gear, until I need to push in the clutch and hit the brakes to stop. I have never trashed a clutch prematurely, most of the time lasting >125-150k miles. I think the Mini clutch is made of something like delicate flowers and the TOB of fair-trade chocolate, so I will be interested to see what I get out of this one.
2) I leave everything on. It doesn't run down the battery as long as the key is removed.
2) I leave everything on. It doesn't run down the battery as long as the key is removed.
Im no king but have raced cars/motorcycles competitively for pretty much my entire life. Brakes are there for a reason, and its not the gearboxes job to slow a car. Hmm why did Nissan just put a rev-matching gearbox in their 370z if it was the gearboxes job to slow the car? Do some of that learnin' young buck before you comment on something you know nothing about.
Heel and toe is fun, but less shifts = less wear, all other things being equal (ie, proper shifting). Coasting down in gear and pushing the clutch in right before the stop is going to result in less wear than disengaging/engaging the disc 3-4 times before stopping. BUT, I'm not at all saying you shouldn't do heel & toe downshifts if you like.
Look DUBYASS, I'm not real sure what your problem is....I posted what I do when slowing and made no mention of whether it was right or wrong. It is perfectly right for me and my driving style. Also since I don't race I don't need heal to toe or any of that crap. And about your name calling (young buck), I was probable driving while you were in 3 corner drawers, A$$ WIPE. There's one in every crowd that can't take a joke.


I was never rude. Listen up little boy. The reason us "race" car drivers or should i say good drivers use the heel and toe/rev matching downshift method is to prolong the life of the gearbox and to help with a smooth braking/corner entry along with the car ready to do whatever it needs. Every car is designed with brakes for a reason....to slow them. Advantage of proper shifting on the street is you and the car are ready for what might come next! While your stuck in the unknown the guy I quoted initially and I are ready for anything that could happen on public streets. Tell you what buddy drive with someone who knows what they are doing, feel it and get back with me.
Last edited by dubyas; Jul 19, 2010 at 06:23 PM.
As far as I know, only for commercial vehicles... not for passenger vehicles. I could be wrong.
Originally Posted by NightFlyR;
I heel and toe every time i am coming to a stop, love the feeling of being able to perfectly match the revs, even more so before i enter a turn. For me it is all about being as smooth as i can be driving, weather it is on the road, Autocrossing, or the track, I practice my drivintg skills everytime i am behind the wheel.
When I am done and the car is parked, its just like the checklist when I fly, everything gets shut down.
Me opposite, I leave everything the way it is so I don't have to adjust anything next time.
Mark
rev matching also actually conserves the wear of your synchros... (synchros are the pieces in a trans that allow you to select the gear smoothly by matching the speeds together) No synchros = old school double clutching. I was a trans tech for honda.... rev matching saves trannys
rev matching also actually conserves the wear of your synchros... (synchros are the pieces in a trans that allow you to select the gear smoothly by matching the speeds together) No synchros = old school double clutching. I was a trans tech for honda.... rev matching saves trannys
I'm new here but your posts make me feel right at home - 'specially when the tempers are flaring a bit. I haven't heard the term double clutch in years. prolly did it myself when I learned how to drive on that three on a tree, way back when I burned out the clutch.
Not to dog coasting but coasting on an exit ramp reduces your traction. I circuit race in super bike classes, maintenance gas is always good to keep traction....
When in doubt lol gas it out!
Prob doesnt work to well on autos lol
When in doubt lol gas it out!
Prob doesnt work to well on autos lol
Agreeing with Dubyas. When I atteneded Keith Code Motorcycle school, I was instructed that the motor was for going and the brakes were for stopping...period.
In regards to the other situation, I don't see anyway that the leaving of items on or off has any effect on the electrical system when the vehicle is shut off and key removed...on a side note, an amazing piece of technology actually charges the battery back up when the engine is started.
In regards to the other situation, I don't see anyway that the leaving of items on or off has any effect on the electrical system when the vehicle is shut off and key removed...on a side note, an amazing piece of technology actually charges the battery back up when the engine is started.
Im no king but have raced cars/motorcycles competitively for pretty much my entire life. Brakes are there for a reason, and its not the gearboxes job to slow a car. Hmm why did Nissan just put a rev-matching gearbox in their 370z if it was the gearboxes job to slow the car? Do some of that learnin' young buck before you comment on something you know nothing about.
Edited: You insulted me in your second sentence, first reply.
I was never rude. Listen up little boy. The reason us "race" car drivers or should i say good drivers use the heel and toe/rev matching downshift method is to prolong the life of the gearbox and to help with a smooth braking/corner entry along with the car ready to do whatever it needs. Every car is designed with brakes for a reason....to slow them. Advantage of proper shifting on the street is you and the car are ready for what might come next! While your stuck in the unknown the guy I quoted initially and I are ready for anything that could happen on public streets. Tell you what buddy drive with someone who knows what they are doing, feel it and get back with me.
I was never rude. Listen up little boy. The reason us "race" car drivers or should i say good drivers use the heel and toe/rev matching downshift method is to prolong the life of the gearbox and to help with a smooth braking/corner entry along with the car ready to do whatever it needs. Every car is designed with brakes for a reason....to slow them. Advantage of proper shifting on the street is you and the car are ready for what might come next! While your stuck in the unknown the guy I quoted initially and I are ready for anything that could happen on public streets. Tell you what buddy drive with someone who knows what they are doing, feel it and get back with me.
Really guy? You know there's no right or wrong answer here, don't you? I'm a little upset you seem to have the exact same taste in cars as me, but I guess it takes all kinds... By exact same I mean I have an 04mcs, 04z, and 95 miata. You can also coast while in gear w/ clutch engaged, so you're ready for the road warriors you seem to have around you.
i did keith code in NJMP and have done corner speed 4x hello fellow rider!
Seriously... who gives a f. I don't know why people get worked up over how other people choose to drive their car. As long as you don't drive like a tool in traffic I don't care what you do.
Personally I used to change down through the gears when slowing down, but it's easier to change brake pads than a clutch, so in normal driving I coast to a stop. If i'm giving it some through the canyons I'll pick the gear for the corner and stay on it. There is no right or wrong way to do it, unless you are on the track, just make sure you have consideration for your fellow motorists and everyone will get on just fine.
Personally I used to change down through the gears when slowing down, but it's easier to change brake pads than a clutch, so in normal driving I coast to a stop. If i'm giving it some through the canyons I'll pick the gear for the corner and stay on it. There is no right or wrong way to do it, unless you are on the track, just make sure you have consideration for your fellow motorists and everyone will get on just fine.
1. I'll coast if I know I'm going to come to a stop. This saves fuel and wear and tear on the clutch. Replacing a clutch isn't a fun job, brakes are alot cheaper.
2. For leaving everything on, it won't hurt anything. Only leaving the headlights on can drain the battery. Everything else will shut off with the key.
But I do recommend shutting off the A/C compressor a minute or 2 before you shut off the car. Shutting it off and leaving the fan on will tend to dry off the evaporator and help keep mold and other smells from forming in the A/C system. Its hard to remember but it will help.
2. For leaving everything on, it won't hurt anything. Only leaving the headlights on can drain the battery. Everything else will shut off with the key.
But I do recommend shutting off the A/C compressor a minute or 2 before you shut off the car. Shutting it off and leaving the fan on will tend to dry off the evaporator and help keep mold and other smells from forming in the A/C system. Its hard to remember but it will help.








