No *****?

I was asking this particular poster to clarify his/her opinion.

 

Classic, R50, R53,R56, all Minis and I like them all for their differences as much as their simularities...

 

hahahaaha!! slag1911, you amuse me greatly. first off if the R56 is so bad what are you doing in the Coupe Talk (2007+) forum. must have made a wrong turn i guess. hahaha!! sorry i cant stop laughing. anyway i used to have a 2004 MCS (supercharged) and a 2005 MC and now a 2007 MCS (yes with the turbo!!). the 2007 is not only better, it fu&*ing blow away the other two MINIs. im a huge car guy, in the last 3 years i have had a (1994 altima, 2004 MCS, 2004 350Z, 2005 MC, 2002 audi TT, 2006 scion xB, and finally my 2007 MCS). the 2007 leaves all in the dust. again, i assume you made a wrong turn and ended up here by accident, if you actually were interested in the 2007 MCS, believe me. cost savings or not, it IS a better car period.

 

3 quick and obvious cuts for you:
The headlights
The side windows
The turbo


There are many more.... use the search if your really interested... this topic has been discussed at length on NAM...

 

Perhaps the real reason for the change remains to be seen once the JCW and the aftermarket continues to develop the R56 engine. I imagine the R53 engine will always have certain tried and true strengths, though. I will say the R56 engine seems a darn good performer in stock form!!

 

I came here to answer the posters inquiry... amusement provided at no extra charge!

 

Headlights: This was done to help with the pedestrian safety requirements AND make the car cheaper to repair in accidents. I think the world will still go round if I can't lift my bonnet and light up the sky.

Side windows- no argument there

Turbo- cheaper yes, better for the driver with improved MPG and more available torque. Win win for MINI AND the consumer.


Anything else?

 

Hey why not, it's Saturday night!!!

 

I'm not sure we've got this cost saving thing figured out...and may never. Most of this I speculate is hidden in the manufacturing process. For example, I would imagine going to the same manual tranny for MC and MCS would ultimately present a cost savings. As was said...some of what we assume to be cost saving feature may not be...some were introduced for other reasons or even to produce a benefit.

 

Agreed.

The anything else bit was tongue in cheek

 

No engine temp gauge
No intercooler
Flares off the bonnet on fenders
Flattened hood
Fake repeaters

Et cetera...

 

Soooo let's recap.

The supercharger seems better than the turbo charger.

A turbocharger seems cheaper.

A supercharger makes purdier sound.

Lets pack this off to Mini so they can get it right the next time...

 

How much shorter a wheelbase do you want? R56 already has same wheelbase that R53 has.

 

Flattened hood? Straws are in aisle 12a - grasp away.


No intercooler?

Oh, my mistake - it must be a phony intercooler to match the phony hood scoop...

 

And.......the repeaters were always fake, weren't they? The temp gauge (it turns out) wasn't much of a real gauge either. Honestly, we've discussed all this. There is really no good reason to hate R56. Initial misgivings...fine....but the car continues to prove that it is quite good.

 

Thanks for the opinion, worth every penny.

 

I agree, because it's technically an aftercooler. Keep hating man, it's your loss.

 

Isn't that the same as a phony intercooler?

 

Here's one for you R53 JCW brakes made standard in the R56 S. Oh wait, that's an upgrade.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4xAAA

Getting pretty low in the bait bucket. Not enough worm left to hide the hook.

Exactly...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryephile

I agree, because it's technically an aftercooler. Keep hating man, it's your loss.

It's not worth the time anymore even responding to a few of these people. Some noob posts 99% of the time in the R56 section of the forums constantly slamming a car he doesn't own and has no itention of ever purchasing? There's a point where it seems like someone is just trying to justify their purchase to themselves and rationalize their car payment check by bashing the new and different product.

There are several threads in the Faults and Fixes section where a select few R53 ownerns have piped in with "should have bought an R53" or "shouldn't have bought a first model year car". Again, again... and again. These are in threads where people are simply asking for help or imput from other owners. I wonder what kind of reception I would get if I went over to the R53 forums and started prowling around there. Everywhere I saw an opportunity I could point out "too bad you didn't go for the R56, they solved that issue with the new model" or somthing to that effect. In the faults and fixes I could lend my out-of-context 2-cents at every turn. Oh, no. Wait a minute, I have some class and would never dream of doing such a thing.

My favorite was the owner who wrote "I saw the aero kit on a jcw when i was at a car show a few months before the release and personally i found and STILL find the kit & new r56 ugly, too bulky and IMOH theyve robbed the mini of its MINI-ness". If it's a thread where someone is ASKING for an opinion or design critique, that's one thing ("R53 vs. R56... a visual study"). This was in a thread where several owners were talking about the JCW aero kit, about how much they are enjoying their cars, sharing pictures and generally complimenting each other on the changes that they've made and like as owners. What would posess someone to interject like that? Show some freakin' class for gosh sakes.

Some people just need to get over it. Maybe spend a little more time in the forum that covers their car. Or better yet, go do a little MINI motoring as it appears you have a little too much time on your hands.

 

you know msh - it would be worthwhile to just edit that out and start a new thread with that statement and just leave a link here. Because you are right, and that is the pattern.

But maybe we could try to bring this discussion back to SC vs TC. Otherwise the mods might as well close it now.

 

I just have to butt in and say that I truly and honestly enjoy when R56 defendants fall back on the "well, what are you doing in this forum, then?" argument, as if we aren't all free to browse around and comment on whatever we want to.

Carry on, o flat-bonneted ones.

 

If that's all you got out of what I wrote... you have missed the point.

 

I cant give an opinion on the SC as I never drove an R53, but I am glad the new 1.6 turbo is a Peugeot engine.

 

What, you don't long for a Dodge South American iron block?