R50/53 [New] I have some MINI questions.
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No and no.
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You say tomato I say tomaaato
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remember that back in the 60's you could order Austin or Morris Mini's, they came with a variety of gutless engines, but then you could order a Morris or Austin Mini Cooper. Eventually the speed daemons needed more so was born the Austin (or Morris) Mini Cooper S in 970cc/1071 or fire breathing 1275cc versions.
So its either Sport or Special
Oh and the 2007 Cooper S is turbo'd but it is still the 'S' not a Cooper T....
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I dunno. I'm kinda torn between spending mid/upper teens for a 160hp hatchback, or a 350hp hatchback. I love the Minis, it's tiny, different, blown, but slow. I like the corvettes, v8, fast, etc.
The earliest i will be able to get a new car is early 2007. Just keeping my eyes open for possibilities. I really want to go test drive a Mini. There's just something about them that pulls me away from having a Corvette. i just wish they were more powerful.
The earliest i will be able to get a new car is early 2007. Just keeping my eyes open for possibilities. I really want to go test drive a Mini. There's just something about them that pulls me away from having a Corvette. i just wish they were more powerful.
http://www.myferraris.net/Mini_Cooper_S.htm
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I'm surprised they didn't turbo it from the beginning. Especially on a I4.
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, that's my story & I'm stickin to it.
"S" stands for Sport. Always has as far back as the original Mini Cooper S. To say otherwise reminds me of a Star Trek scene, where Data corrects Dr. Pulaski who is always prounouncing his name as "Dahtah" instread of "Daytdah." When she asked what was the difference, Data replied, "One is my name, the other is not."
Personally, I'm happy as can be they didn't put a turbo on it, I never would have bought a Mini if they did. When I heard the 2007's were going to have a turbo, I jumped on getting a 2006.
Personally, I'm happy as can be they didn't put a turbo on it, I never would have bought a Mini if they did. When I heard the 2007's were going to have a turbo, I jumped on getting a 2006.
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I will be VERY interested in seeing how the new turbo MINIs perform on The Dragon's 318 curves in 11 miles at next May's MOTD (MINIs on the Dragon). When I run it in my supercharged MCS, I rarely get out of second gear, so it will be really interesting to see if there IS a lag on the new MINI turbo...
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On topic:
1: Center speedo: You can get a speedo reading (digital) on the tach, or get a chrono pack. Either way, the speedo is where it's supposed to be.
2: 6' tall = not too big.
3: 163 BHP. : BHP is horswpower measured at the flywheel, using a device that acts as a "brake" on the engine. There are several methods and ratings (bhp, SAE hp, etc.) but they're all close. Whp means WHEEL horsepower, measured on a chassis dyno at the WHEELS. Figure BHP less about 18% drivetrain loss equals WHP. Bear in mind that all chassis dynos are a little different; the same car under the same conditions will give different readings on two different chassis dynos.
4: Modifications: VERY well. Bottom end can hold upwards of 250-300bhp (check the performance areas of the board for real numbers)
Mini Cooper weighs 2800 lb, with ~170HP, upgradeable pretty easily to 200+. 0 to 60 under 7 sec. That's better than "zippy" or "peppy", it's pretty darned fast. Not 'Vette fast, but plenty fast enough. Upgrades eat into that pretty significantly.
Drive one and find out - there are good ones available out there in your price range.
1: Center speedo: You can get a speedo reading (digital) on the tach, or get a chrono pack. Either way, the speedo is where it's supposed to be.
2: 6' tall = not too big.
3: 163 BHP. : BHP is horswpower measured at the flywheel, using a device that acts as a "brake" on the engine. There are several methods and ratings (bhp, SAE hp, etc.) but they're all close. Whp means WHEEL horsepower, measured on a chassis dyno at the WHEELS. Figure BHP less about 18% drivetrain loss equals WHP. Bear in mind that all chassis dynos are a little different; the same car under the same conditions will give different readings on two different chassis dynos.
4: Modifications: VERY well. Bottom end can hold upwards of 250-300bhp (check the performance areas of the board for real numbers)
Mini Cooper weighs 2800 lb, with ~170HP, upgradeable pretty easily to 200+. 0 to 60 under 7 sec. That's better than "zippy" or "peppy", it's pretty darned fast. Not 'Vette fast, but plenty fast enough. Upgrades eat into that pretty significantly.
Drive one and find out - there are good ones available out there in your price range.
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I didn't know the tach had a digital reading, thanks for telling me.
I thought that "brake" horsepower was another term for power to the wheels, being that the brakes are so close to them and all. I thought it was just another crazy turn on words from overseas.
That doesn't help my visual.
I need to test drive one of the MCS's :(
I thought that "brake" horsepower was another term for power to the wheels, being that the brakes are so close to them and all. I thought it was just another crazy turn on words from overseas.
That doesn't help my visual.
I need to test drive one of the MCS's :(
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So, i'm debating on what my next car should be. I currently drive a 1989 300zx Turbo. I generally like smaller cars, two door hatchbacks, with forced induction adding to the fun factor.
I absolutly love the look of the MCS. I love the interior, and just about everything.
I have a lot of questions, personal experience is what i'm looking for.
1: Does the speedometer being in the center of the car bother you? It seems like it would bother me, having to look not just down, but to the right.
2: I'm 6' tall. I've read that people are surprised by how much space the interior gives you. Would i be too big?
3: I have a lot of confusion about the base MCS power ratings. I read it has 163 BHP. I've seen people say "BHP at the flywheel". I laugh because it makes no sense. Is the 163 rating before or after transmission loss? I've heard both... I've searched for stock dyno sheets of the MCS & JCW but have only seen one or two.
4: How well does the MCS respond to modifications? Not meaning exhaust or intake, more-so boost/cam/ecu.
5: How much boost is the stock pulley outputting (i've read 10-11). The 15% pulley raises ~4 psi, what about the 17 & 19% pulleys?
6: What type of fuel rail does the MCS use?
7: What are your average city & highway mpg findings?
8: What type of supercharger does the JCW kit utilize? MCS Stock is a M45, right? Whats the difference between the two?
For the same price as a MCS or JCW Mini, i could get a C5 Corvette. More than double the hp, good mileage for a v8, it's a freaking corvette.
For a little more i could get a 350z. I love Z's, i love Nissan.
I dunno. I'm kinda torn between spending mid/upper teens for a 160hp hatchback, or a 350hp hatchback. I love the Minis, it's tiny, different, blown, but slow. I like the corvettes, v8, fast, etc.
The earliest i will be able to get a new car is early 2007. Just keeping my eyes open for possibilities. I really want to go test drive a Mini. There's just something about them that pulls me away from having a Corvette. i just wish they were more powerful.
I absolutly love the look of the MCS. I love the interior, and just about everything.
I have a lot of questions, personal experience is what i'm looking for.
1: Does the speedometer being in the center of the car bother you? It seems like it would bother me, having to look not just down, but to the right.
2: I'm 6' tall. I've read that people are surprised by how much space the interior gives you. Would i be too big?
3: I have a lot of confusion about the base MCS power ratings. I read it has 163 BHP. I've seen people say "BHP at the flywheel". I laugh because it makes no sense. Is the 163 rating before or after transmission loss? I've heard both... I've searched for stock dyno sheets of the MCS & JCW but have only seen one or two.
4: How well does the MCS respond to modifications? Not meaning exhaust or intake, more-so boost/cam/ecu.
5: How much boost is the stock pulley outputting (i've read 10-11). The 15% pulley raises ~4 psi, what about the 17 & 19% pulleys?
6: What type of fuel rail does the MCS use?
7: What are your average city & highway mpg findings?
8: What type of supercharger does the JCW kit utilize? MCS Stock is a M45, right? Whats the difference between the two?
For the same price as a MCS or JCW Mini, i could get a C5 Corvette. More than double the hp, good mileage for a v8, it's a freaking corvette.
For a little more i could get a 350z. I love Z's, i love Nissan.
I dunno. I'm kinda torn between spending mid/upper teens for a 160hp hatchback, or a 350hp hatchback. I love the Minis, it's tiny, different, blown, but slow. I like the corvettes, v8, fast, etc.
The earliest i will be able to get a new car is early 2007. Just keeping my eyes open for possibilities. I really want to go test drive a Mini. There's just something about them that pulls me away from having a Corvette. i just wish they were more powerful.
.2. I'm only 5' 4" so no help from me there, but my husband is 5'11" and borrows the MINI every chance he gets.
3-6. sorry, not qualified to answer!
7. I get in the mid to high 20's, avg about 26 or 27 and do almost NO highway driving.
8. see 3
.The fun factor on the MINI is what it's all about for me. Nothing compares!
My husband and I are long time Nissan fans, he currently drives a 2005 Titan. When we were looking at the MINI he really wanted to test drive the Z, so we did. When we got back in our car he looked at me and said, "Well, the MINI it is!". We just didn't get the same spark. I have driven my best friend's hubbies Corvette a few times (he knows I'm a "car girl" and likes to show off his vehicles to me and I'm happy to drive them!), and while I really loved his Corvette, I was more than happy to get back in El Kabong and go home. You really just need to test drive one when you can, for most that is all it takes. You'll know once you've driven one whether it's the car for you. Even though I test drove quite a few cars when I was in the market, once I drove the MINI it was all over.
Annette
Lemme try again:
BHP is engine horsepower measured at the flywheel using a device that tries to slow the engine down (an "engine brake", if you need a better visual), and measures the force the engine generates against that engine brake. There are no transmission, differential, CV joints, driveshafts, bearings, wheels or tires involved in the equation, just a naked engine running against a calibrated and instrumented "brake". The Mini is rated at something like 163 BHP.
WHP is how much power the engine supplies to the wheels, as measured by a "brake" applied to a large roller that the car sits on and spins (sort of like those lumberjacks trying to stand on a spinning log, only a lot dryer and higher tech). A stock mini should make something like 133-138 WHP, using 15-18% drivetrain loss - the amount it takes to spin the transmission, differential, CV joints, driveshafts, bearings, wheels and tires and overcome all that friction PLUS the friction of the tires on those logs, er, umm, dyno rollers.
BHP>WHP because no drivetrain is 100% efficient.
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BHP is engine horsepower measured at the flywheel using a device that tries to slow the engine down (an "engine brake", if you need a better visual), and measures the force the engine generates against that engine brake. There are no transmission, differential, CV joints, driveshafts, bearings, wheels or tires involved in the equation, just a naked engine running against a calibrated and instrumented "brake". The Mini is rated at something like 163 BHP.
WHP is how much power the engine supplies to the wheels, as measured by a "brake" applied to a large roller that the car sits on and spins (sort of like those lumberjacks trying to stand on a spinning log, only a lot dryer and higher tech). A stock mini should make something like 133-138 WHP, using 15-18% drivetrain loss - the amount it takes to spin the transmission, differential, CV joints, driveshafts, bearings, wheels and tires and overcome all that friction PLUS the friction of the tires on those logs, er, umm, dyno rollers.
BHP>WHP because no drivetrain is 100% efficient.
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There was no need to take the time to explain it again, i got it the first time 
I know the difference between a chassis dyno and an engine dyno, i just thought that a "BHP" rating stood as an "english" version to a "WHP" rating. The reason i thought that was i only heard it on TopGear or other non-us vehicle ratings.
I know the difference between a chassis dyno and an engine dyno, i just thought that a "BHP" rating stood as an "english" version to a "WHP" rating. The reason i thought that was i only heard it on TopGear or other non-us vehicle ratings.
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There is a big difference between the Mini and the Corvette and it's not about the engine and performance. It's about what your car says about you:Mini - cool, hip, smart and fast. Corvette: old guy in midlife crisis, American made car..ick!
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I didn't know the tach had a digital reading, thanks for telling me.
I thought that "brake" horsepower was another term for power to the wheels, being that the brakes are so close to them and all. I thought it was just another crazy turn on words from overseas.
That doesn't help my visual.
I need to test drive one of the MCS's :(
I thought that "brake" horsepower was another term for power to the wheels, being that the brakes are so close to them and all. I thought it was just another crazy turn on words from overseas.
That doesn't help my visual.
I need to test drive one of the MCS's :(
How close are you to Savannah? There are, apparently, monthly gatherings on (I think) the first Sunday of each month (or maybe it's Saturday -- check the southeast forum). I plan on going to the one in December, assuming I'm back in town. If you can make it, I would not be averse to letting you drive my MCS. It's an '03 -- only mod is a CAI. While you're driving, I can list all the problems I've had with it. By the time you're finished, you either won't care about them, or you'll run screaming from the car. Then your decision will be made for you.
oh... ok.... (ashamed for over-explaining...) Check Car and Driver though, they had a good explanation of BHP vs. SAE HP vs. PS (Pferdstocke = German horsepower, litterally translated as "horse-strength", which is almost the same as SAE and BHP, only a bit more arrogant
).
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I can sympathize with you. I also considered a Corvette (new C6) in '05 before I bought my MCS. I decided against the Corvette when the C6 finally came out because it looks almost exactly like a C5. I think GM missed a big opportunity to attract a lot of new Corvette buyers because they were worried about changing it too drastically and losing loyal Corvette owners. Another reason not to buy the Vette: A state cop clocked me going 80 in the Mini a few weeks ago and only gave me a warning. I guarantee that if I had been driving a Corvette he would have given me a ticket.
. I guarantee that if I had been driving a Corvette he would have given me a ticket.
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We own a C5 Corvette as well as the Mini. The Vette is fun to drive and has been very reliable since new ('98). The gas mileage is astounding (29 mpg - highway) for a powerful V-8. (Turning 1300 rpm at 60 mph helps that number!) But the Mini is really more fun to drive and not being as low to the ground as the Vette, we don't have to "tippy-toe" turning into driveways, etc.
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