R50/53 Stock MCS exhaust burns leg - photo
#77
I don't understand why people feel the need to take it to the extreme to somehow mock and belittle the simple point that is being made - noone seems to be saying this is catastrophic, in need of a recall, etc, the point is that the design could be better executed then it is.
You can't reasonably compare it to a stove which specifically exists and is used to be hot, that is just silly; the way the hatch is designed to be used places someone right in front of the protruding exhaust pipes and there is a variety of ways that the pipes/car could be designed to reduce the risk of coming into contact with the hot metal. Even the OEM aerokit bumper and the JCW pretty much make that a non-issue, so clearly it could have been done with more forethought and with hope will be handled more logically in the future. That is what I understand as the point trying to be made, and its valid, not worthy of reducing it to stupid extremes to ridicule.
And, for the record from that excerpt it does not appear that the manual addresses accessing the hatch, it seems directed to be wary of where you park so that the system does not come in contact with flammable items under/near the car. Even if the manual did address the issue specifically, the point that the way the hatch access functions along with the design of the exhaust makes getting burned all too easy is true, and that something simple could alleviate that issue.
You can't reasonably compare it to a stove which specifically exists and is used to be hot, that is just silly; the way the hatch is designed to be used places someone right in front of the protruding exhaust pipes and there is a variety of ways that the pipes/car could be designed to reduce the risk of coming into contact with the hot metal. Even the OEM aerokit bumper and the JCW pretty much make that a non-issue, so clearly it could have been done with more forethought and with hope will be handled more logically in the future. That is what I understand as the point trying to be made, and its valid, not worthy of reducing it to stupid extremes to ridicule.
And, for the record from that excerpt it does not appear that the manual addresses accessing the hatch, it seems directed to be wary of where you park so that the system does not come in contact with flammable items under/near the car. Even if the manual did address the issue specifically, the point that the way the hatch access functions along with the design of the exhaust makes getting burned all too easy is true, and that something simple could alleviate that issue.
#78
Originally Posted by MSFITOY
Seriously, "don't touch the car" is what tell my kid and no ones' been hurt yet...
Originally Posted by JackMac
As a soon-to-be owner, I appreciate the heads-up, and will be sure to tell my 5 year old son to keep away from the exhaust tips.
Otherwise, planning to enjoy the car and all of its wonderful flaws.
Otherwise, planning to enjoy the car and all of its wonderful flaws.
#79
findude, I'm sorry your son's leg was burned, and I hope he heals up quick. Honestly, the pain may be temporary, but it sure stinks while you feel it.
Is it a dangerous design? Well, arguments can be made either way, but I'd have to agree that yes, it is dangerous. However, that being said, cars are dangerous all around. When I've banged my head climbing in the door too quick, I never hoped for a redesign of the roof (NERF, anyone?), I just thought I'd better be more careful in the future. (And I got a nasty knot on my head for a couple days from it, too). There are hundreds of ways we can hurt ourselves with vehicles, and many of them can't be designed out - slamming fingers in the doors, bonnet, or boot, banging your forehead against a half-closed sun visor, touching pretty much anything metal underneath the hood before it's totally cooled off, and on and on.
Some steps can be taken to protect consumers, but somewhere the responsibility has to lie with us. I have to be responsible enough not to close my fingers in the door, just like I should be responsible enough to try and avoid burning myself on my exhaust tips.
Cars are powered by explosive forces, a byproduct of which is heat. This heat has to be dissipated somewhere, and it's not too bad to have it come out in a place that avoids melting the rear bumper into a puddle or catching it on fire, plus it keeps residual gases from creeping into the cabin while I'm sitting at a stop light.
I have to realize it may hurt me, and since its my car and I know its dangers, than it's also my responsibility to warn others of what may hurt them, too. No, I don't always warn people not to shut their fingers in the door or the like, because they encounter those dangers elsewhere, but if someone's getting something out of my trunk, I have been known to mention "Watch out for the exhaust." I haven't said it in a while, but the first year or two I had the car, I said it a couple times.
We don't live in a world of rounded edges, NERF and Bubble Wrap, there are things that may hurt us if we're not careful. A blister burn on my leg is enough to remind me that I made a mistake, but not enough to write a company about an inherent design flaw. Others may disagree, including the originator of this post, but that's our right. How we choose to handle it from there is up to us.
Me, I'm more of a "Dang! That really hurt! I'd better not do that again!" kind of guy.
Is it a dangerous design? Well, arguments can be made either way, but I'd have to agree that yes, it is dangerous. However, that being said, cars are dangerous all around. When I've banged my head climbing in the door too quick, I never hoped for a redesign of the roof (NERF, anyone?), I just thought I'd better be more careful in the future. (And I got a nasty knot on my head for a couple days from it, too). There are hundreds of ways we can hurt ourselves with vehicles, and many of them can't be designed out - slamming fingers in the doors, bonnet, or boot, banging your forehead against a half-closed sun visor, touching pretty much anything metal underneath the hood before it's totally cooled off, and on and on.
Some steps can be taken to protect consumers, but somewhere the responsibility has to lie with us. I have to be responsible enough not to close my fingers in the door, just like I should be responsible enough to try and avoid burning myself on my exhaust tips.
Cars are powered by explosive forces, a byproduct of which is heat. This heat has to be dissipated somewhere, and it's not too bad to have it come out in a place that avoids melting the rear bumper into a puddle or catching it on fire, plus it keeps residual gases from creeping into the cabin while I'm sitting at a stop light.
I have to realize it may hurt me, and since its my car and I know its dangers, than it's also my responsibility to warn others of what may hurt them, too. No, I don't always warn people not to shut their fingers in the door or the like, because they encounter those dangers elsewhere, but if someone's getting something out of my trunk, I have been known to mention "Watch out for the exhaust." I haven't said it in a while, but the first year or two I had the car, I said it a couple times.
We don't live in a world of rounded edges, NERF and Bubble Wrap, there are things that may hurt us if we're not careful. A blister burn on my leg is enough to remind me that I made a mistake, but not enough to write a company about an inherent design flaw. Others may disagree, including the originator of this post, but that's our right. How we choose to handle it from there is up to us.
Me, I'm more of a "Dang! That really hurt! I'd better not do that again!" kind of guy.
#80
Originally Posted by motor on
Exhaust = hot
Fire = hot
Heat burns.
Don't touch hot things.
Be aware of what is around you.
Fire = hot
Heat burns.
Don't touch hot things.
Be aware of what is around you.
I'm sorry, but if someone gets burned on the exhaust, they're not paying attention and it is in no way the car's fault. The only people who would suggest otherwise are liability suit lawyers...
#81
Put me in the "stupid" club..
I burned the inside of my calf when I was a kid. The old VW beetles had these chromed exhausts that stuck out pretty far; I was reaching up to clean the back window and pressed the inside of my calf against one. Left a pretty good burn and taught me to look for hot parts before getting too close to a car. I have never burned myself on the MINI, but that's because of the lesson I learnt as a kid.
- mike
- mike
#82
Originally Posted by ImagoX
Years ago, my grandpa had a car with a exposed radiator fan. I remmeber vividly seeing that huge, spinning thing when he'd would work on his car in the summertime .
As our esteemed OM has said, how can you possibly compare fingers getting chopped of with a first degree burn?
I sympathize that a child is hurt (who wouldn't?). I won't for an adult who should read the manual an be warned. In fact, I can't imagine anyone not knowing enuff to not touch exhaust pipes that are hot. It is beyond me.
As to the boot access thing. I guess MINI made a decision to place the exhaust in the middle rather than the corners. Perhaps ask them?
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#86
Experience is everything...
My 7-year-old daughter burnt her knee on my Wife's MCS last week on the same day we took delivery of it!
We didn't freak-out or complain or call up MiniUSA to request a fix, etc. We put some burn cream on it and now our daughter has ingrained in her brain the need to give tailpipes a proper respectful distance. That's all.
We learn by doing.
We didn't freak-out or complain or call up MiniUSA to request a fix, etc. We put some burn cream on it and now our daughter has ingrained in her brain the need to give tailpipes a proper respectful distance. That's all.
We learn by doing.
#88
Originally Posted by ImagoX
Funny thing, though... All the cars I've seen lately (as in, the last 20 years or so) now generally encase that fan in plastic, or at the least cover the top with a shroud. Why? Who knows? Maybe because it's safer?.
#89
Originally Posted by ImagoX
I'm not even going to get into a discussion of the hot coffe thing (which was valid, BTW, seeing as how lots of places back then kept coffee FAR HOTTER than any human mouth could stand it to be, simply to be able to use it longer in the pot before replacing it - now they cool it down to merely "hot" instead of "volcanic")
Boo
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#95
Originally Posted by MSFITOY
Safer for my Mini...
Naaaa....hang them waaaay out and make sure it's flat black...then stand back and watch the action Seriously, "don't touch the car" is what tell my kid and no ones' been hurt yet...
Naaaa....hang them waaaay out and make sure it's flat black...then stand back and watch the action Seriously, "don't touch the car" is what tell my kid and no ones' been hurt yet...
#96
Originally Posted by Richard Larson
My 7-year-old daughter burnt her knee on my Wife's MCS last week on the same day we took delivery of it!
We didn't freak-out or complain or call up MiniUSA to request a fix, etc. We put some burn cream on it and now our daughter has ingrained in her brain the need to give tailpipes a proper respectful distance. That's all.
We learn by doing.
We didn't freak-out or complain or call up MiniUSA to request a fix, etc. We put some burn cream on it and now our daughter has ingrained in her brain the need to give tailpipes a proper respectful distance. That's all.
We learn by doing.
"We learn by doing", not by being told what to do or not to do. Gee whiz people.
#100
Originally Posted by findude
This happened to our son last night when he was taking his guitar out of the hatch.
Here is the link to the photo in my gallery: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...31143&cat=1395
This is the third time since Thanksgiving this has happened to someone, so this strikes me as a safety-related design deficiency.
Thoughts?
Here is the link to the photo in my gallery: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...31143&cat=1395
This is the third time since Thanksgiving this has happened to someone, so this strikes me as a safety-related design deficiency.
Thoughts?
This is the third time he did it, and you are actually posting this?
You are pulling our leg, right?
regards,
Red