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R50/53 someone convince me to buy an 06 vs 07 MCS...

Old Jun 23, 2006 | 10:34 AM
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 10:36 AM
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However, the direct injection/high compression and twin turbo of the S engine means there will be substantial fuel savings and no need to rev the engine out to develop hi torque at low rpms.
You mean "twin-scroll" turbo
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 10:45 AM
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I'd want to know what Tif from Fifth Gear thinks of the new 07's
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 11:15 AM
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I'd get an 06 just so you can get motoring sooner. I have had mine 4 weeks, have 2,600 miles on it, drove from Atlanta to Indy for the 500, ran an autocross, went to a great party with about 40 or 50 other Mini's and who knows what this weekend holds.

No one knows if its better or worse, but we do know that time not spent motoring is wasted time. Plus, my luck I'd wait the six months for the 07 and get hit by a bus the day before it comes in.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MINIAC
The 2007 interior should convince you to get a 2006 model

This was my most compelling reason to order last week! Not to mention all the other arguments against waiting for '07s...

BMW seems to be cheapening out, IMO, and I want the best MINI for my $$$, which I feel is the tested, most improved, and most thoughtfully designed '06 model. Good luck!
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 11:32 AM
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As some have suggested....get an '06 now and then, if you want to, turn it in for an '09.....50th Anniversary MINI. Yum!!!!
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by gokartride
As some have suggested....get an '06 now and then, if you want to, turn it in for an '09.....50th Anniversary MINI. Yum!!!!
I never considered this! In the words of Austin Powers, "Yaaaaah Baaaby!"
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Electric Shock

I do not understand why the great majority here is of the opinion that BMW is intent on making the new model worse than what we now drive. I think BMW is quite proud of its niche in the market of higher end performance vehicles and has no intention of selling the next MINI short and tarnishing their reputation.

I know that there are many that don't like the recent re-designs of the BMW models and think that those cars were "ruined" by BMW and that then they presume the MINI will be "ruined' too. I happen to like the re-designs and I think many others do as well. I expect the re-designed MINI to be a vehicle BMW will be proud of.
I don't think BMW is intent on making the new model worse. My concern, as I stated on the first page, is that the current model has set the bar pretty high, and that the R56 will have to be outright amazing to completely outclass it and reduce current owners and pending owners to quivering, sobbing sacks of regret.

In other words, BMW outdid themselves the first time out, and in so doing have a challenge on their hands to improve upon greatness.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:03 PM
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There have been several comments about accelerated depreciation of the '06, once '07s come out... Maybe, maybe not.

Fortunately, I live for today and choose products (MINIs included) for what they are and do right now... not on speculation of their future resale values. I could have chosen an '07, but for me, the '06 fits my criteria perfectly.
Each of us are likely to have our own little (or large) laundary lists of ideosyncrasies that we bring into the equation each time we choose a new automobile. Merely stating that one year versus another as a better choice is very, very simplistic.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dimini
Merely stating that one year versus another as a better choice is very, very simplistic.
I would agree with this assertion if say we were discussing the merits of 04s vs. the 05s, but when a factory has to be closed twice for retooling and other preparations for a completely redesigned model with an all-new powerplant, well, that's not "very, very simplistic" in a comparative sense.

I doubt I'm the first to make this prediction, but I predict there will be very significant "growing pains" with early build 2ndGen models just because so much is being changed in a relatively short period of time--plus already taxed service departments will now have two different models with two different engines to deal with. I know my SA is NOT looking forward to this (of course, he's partial to the old, iron block, low tech, SC'd engine.)

I could be wrong, but based on my experiences in the industry and present indicators, I'd take this to Vegas if I could.... JB
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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I have a August 02 build MCS and I absolutely love it, part of the attraction for me is that it is a first year build....Regardless of what consumer reports and everyone else said, It has been a great car considering it's a guinea pig...LOL..
Buy what you like...I like the first gen better ...My 02 is a keeper
good luck and please do revive this thread once you decide....(And post pics)
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MORTRBL
This was my most compelling reason to order last week! Not to mention all the other arguments against waiting for '07s...

BMW seems to be cheapening out, IMO, and I want the best MINI for my $$$, which I feel is the tested, most improved, and most thoughtfully designed '06 model. Good luck!
Keep in mind that this interior picture is VERY dated, and doesn't look as much like the newer pictures that have been posted. I think that every picture since this one here, has looked better and better. Keep in mind though, that I personally don't like it as much as the current interior, and I don't think I'll be owning an 07-09. I just like the current ones too much to move on.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 01:53 PM
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I read a lot..... always have about 5-10 books going on all kinds of subjects.....one I just finished is "Future Shop".... I don't know that I recomend it but it talks about (besides Ebay) time value of money, opportunity costs etc..... might be worth a look .
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MattMan
I just like the current ones too much to move on.
Tell me...I still haven't gotten over styling of the '02-'04 Cooper!!
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gokartride
Tell me...I still haven't gotten over styling of the '02-'04 Cooper!!
and I love the 57 Chevy, 65 Mustang, any Cobra, early XKE, early Porsches, Lolas, on and on and on..... our cars are classics no doubt....people will love these cars when you can no longer buy fossil fuels.......
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 02:58 PM
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'06 MCS = functional hood scoop
 
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jiggajaymz
....or vice versa.... The biggest selling point for me is the new motor. It sounds amazing but that could be a bunch of PR spin. Any opinions/advice? Thanks.
Well, after three pages of mostly yes go with the 06, are U convinced yet?
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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A month or so ago my wife and I test drove some MINIs just for fun, and weren't seriously considering buying one...until I saw some spy photos of the '07 later that week. We went back to the dealer literally the next day and put down a deposit on an '06. I saw it as my last chance to have a REAL MINI.

IMO, the exterior of the '07 is just as ugly as the new interior. Some might think the changes are subtle, but to me the new model just doesn't look as MINI-like. (And yes, I've seen the photos without the camoflaging panels.)

Here's more food for thought regarding "new and improved." When Apple announced the iPod Nano, on paper it seemed like a huge improvement over the iPod Mini: color screen, smaller, and flash memory instead of HD. And then people saw them and handled them, and the issues with easily scratching screens surfaced. All of a sudden people were scrambling to find iPod Minis again, and prices on eBay soared. There are people who think the Mini is way better than the Nano, and wish Apple would bring it back. (Or at least bring back its best feature: the colored and durable aluminum shell.) All this to say that sometimes new and improved is not necessarily better.

Cheers.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sequence
2006: refined, (most) first gen bugs addressed and eliminated over the previous 4 years, old tough lo-tech Chrysler engine proven to last even under mods (and fairly easy to work on) nicer interior, first generation excluvisity

2007: new model, will have niggling bugs and problems inside and out guaranteed, new Bimmer/Poogee hi-tech engine untested either stock or under mods, interior redesign and refit sketchy at best (look at the problems early 05 builds had with the dash redesign), too many unanswered ???'s in general

If it were me, no doubt slam dunk 2006 model.

If you don't get a 2006, wait until the 2008 or 09 model when the first-year bugs have been found and addressed (this is generally accepted for all new models)

If you want a new 2006, you better hustle, for the dealer order cutoff is July 31 (last I heard, anyway). Good luck JB
Ditto I ordered my wives 2006 three weeks ago, did not want to deal with the unknown :impatient
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sjino
A month or so ago my wife and I test drove some MINIs just for fun, and weren't seriously considering buying one...until I saw some spy photos of the '07 later that week. We went back to the dealer literally the next day and put down a deposit on an '06. I saw it as my last chance to have a REAL MINI.

IMO, the exterior of the '07 is just as ugly as the new interior. Some might think the changes are subtle, but to me the new model just doesn't look as MINI-like. (And yes, I've seen the photos without the camoflaging panels.)

Here's more food for thought regarding "new and improved." When Apple announced the iPod Nano, on paper it seemed like a huge improvement over the iPod Mini: color screen, smaller, and flash memory instead of HD. And then people saw them and handled them, and the issues with easily scratching screens surfaced. All of a sudden people were scrambling to find iPod Minis again, and prices on eBay soared. There are people who think the Mini is way better than the Nano, and wish Apple would bring it back. (Or at least bring back its best feature: the colored and durable aluminum shell.) All this to say that sometimes new and improved is not necessarily better.

Cheers.

All this time I thought this was about MINI Cooper and not ipod mini. So there you go. Get the Apple.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 06:09 PM
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Just one question if you're going for an '07....

Do you feel lucky?

While most of the problems that the '02's experienced (rattles and windshields) will probably not plague the '07's, I am wary about the new power plant, and would let the bugs (that will invariably pop up) get ironed out.

If you get a new R53 now, you can still get a new R56 later if you like it better. You'll never be able to get a personally specc'ed brand new '06 after this year...

Of course, you may be able to wait and get a cheaper '06 when the R56 comes out (not to your specs though).

Hard decision... good luck!
 
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DrDiff
Hmm I never noticed this before but I am only counting 5 toggles instead of 6... I wonder what they took off? The door lock toggle?
Perhaps alternate versions of the toggle panel will have altered spacing rather than blanked off positions for options not selected. This would seem to be a poor business decision. The blanked toggle positions no doubt helped MINI to sell a whole lot of front and rear fog lamps.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 07:49 AM
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Turbo cool-down is most likely not a problem. I'm not sure about the 07 MINI, but my 2002 TT has an oil cooler for the turbo that keeps running for about 10 mins. after the engine shuts down. I'm too unfamiliar with the 07 to voice an opinion (too much of a MINI noob too)....all I know is I'm very happy with the 06.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Electric Shock
After reading all of the above posts I would be convinced to buy....an 07. For the same reason you want a MINI - it is different. Those that buy the 07 will be in a very unique crowd. Some call it guinea pig I call it trailblazer. Someone needs to be bold and carefree and take the chance just like all of those that bought the 02. Those people that bought in 02 had the opportunity to have the most unique affordable car on the market and they grabbed the chance. I think very few of them regret having their MINIs, bugs and all.

I think the crowd here is obviously very biased in favor of what they have although there is certainly sound logic at work as well.
People who bought the '02 had no alternative i.e. if they really wanted a MINI that was the only option. Now people can decide between the old and the new, and new doesn't always mean better.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 10:33 AM
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I ordered my 06 MINI because the new turbo engine, exterior and interior I have no love for whatsoever.. If in 3-4 years I need to replace my MINI, and the 2010-11 models are as terrible looking as the '07, I will probably be looking for a used '06, and maybe drop a brand new OEM engine into it.

I may be looking for a brand new OEM engine to keep in storage until then soon!!!

02-06= a soon to be classic age of our cars
07-??= red headed stepchild..
 
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