R50/53 What are the reasons NOT to buy a convertible?
I got my first MINI back in December of 2003... a hardtop. Love it! But when I made the decision to purchase another one, I thought about the cabrio. I had never owned a convertible before. I thought long and hard before doing it. In the end, I have been thrilled with it. I love riding top down. And yes, the handling isn't as good as the hardtop, but hey, it's a convertible! The noise is not so bad. I can still carry on a conversation or listen to music.
I know you have many concerns, most of which many others have given their opinions on... but one last thing. There is nothing like driving home from work at the end of the day with the top down. Nothing!
I know you have many concerns, most of which many others have given their opinions on... but one last thing. There is nothing like driving home from work at the end of the day with the top down. Nothing!
Originally Posted by wsalopek
his eyes lit up and watching the wind in his hair.
Originally Posted by MiniChristina
I know you have many concerns, most of which many others have given their opinions on... but one last thing. There is nothing like driving home from work at the end of the day with the top down. Nothing!
B
We opted out for the following reasons:
#1 long wait time for it to be built
#2 can't carry a surfboard or skis on a convertible
#3 visibility with top up was severely restricted
#4 better aerodynamics and quieter ride
#5 northeast weather isn't usually friendly to soft toppers (i used to be one with my Jeep Wrangler)
Dave
#1 long wait time for it to be built
#2 can't carry a surfboard or skis on a convertible
#3 visibility with top up was severely restricted
#4 better aerodynamics and quieter ride
#5 northeast weather isn't usually friendly to soft toppers (i used to be one with my Jeep Wrangler)
Dave
Originally Posted by DaveTinNY
We opted out for the following reasons:
#1 long wait time for it to be built
#2 can't carry a surfboard or skis on a convertible
#3 visibility with top up was severely restricted
#4 better aerodynamics and quieter ride
#5 northeast weather isn't usually friendly to soft toppers (i used to be one with my Jeep Wrangler)
Dave
#1 long wait time for it to be built
#2 can't carry a surfboard or skis on a convertible
#3 visibility with top up was severely restricted
#4 better aerodynamics and quieter ride
#5 northeast weather isn't usually friendly to soft toppers (i used to be one with my Jeep Wrangler)
Dave
Bill
Originally Posted by DaveTinNY
#2 can't carry a surfboard
Other reasons not to buy a Cabrio ...
- loss of a baseball cap or two each year (more if you're tall)
- loose papers, important or otherwise, gone once you hit 50 mph
- no need to participate in the "top down/windows up" debate
- no decision about OEM bluetooth
- don't need to anguish about spending $400+ on a wind deflector
- don't need to learn how to fold your wind deflector that you will eventually buy
- never need to say to yourself: I'm just going into the store for a few minutes. Should I put the top up?
- when stopped at a traffic light, never need to say to yourself: Do I have time to put the top up (or down)?
- never a factor: Will it fit in the boot?
- don't need to buy sunscreen by the gallon
- loose papers, important or otherwise, gone once you hit 50 mph
- no need to participate in the "top down/windows up" debate
- no decision about OEM bluetooth
- don't need to anguish about spending $400+ on a wind deflector
- don't need to learn how to fold your wind deflector that you will eventually buy
- never need to say to yourself: I'm just going into the store for a few minutes. Should I put the top up?
- when stopped at a traffic light, never need to say to yourself: Do I have time to put the top up (or down)?
- never a factor: Will it fit in the boot?
- don't need to buy sunscreen by the gallon
I think the questions comes down to whther you want to give up some traits (More cargo space, better shoulder room for rear passengers, body rigidity, better power to weight ratio, better handling, etc) for the thrill/pleasure of open top motoring.
If you are into convertibles and you still want a somewhat practical machine, the MINI can't be beat IMO. I know someone who recently bought a new Pontiac Solstice..... Gorgeous car, but in comparison to the MINI convertible, the Solstice (and soon to be released Saturn Sky) fall short in many, many areas. The Solstice has almost ZERO trunk space because the gas tank is smack right in the center, so you can only put a few bags in the narrow surrounding. Second the top is manual, which in my opinion sucks if you need to quickly raise it, unlike the fully motorized MINI fabric roof. Third, the car lacks side airbags. Totally unexcusable lack of a crucial safety feature that is offered in most cars in its class. Fourth, the normally aspirated ECOTEC engine sucks. At 170HP it lacks grunt to properl the 2,900+ pound Solstice and sounds like a tractor when pushed. The stock engine doesn't do justice to this car at all. (GM will soon release a turbocharged version to address the poor response of the base engine).
The interior is a mixed bag of acceptable quality plastics and cheap assembly. You'll be the judge.
So again, if your thing is open top motoring and are willing to put up with the added admission price ($5K+ over the regular hardtop) and the other shortcomings over the cheaper, but more solid, better handling and more practical hardtop hatchback, then you will be perfectly happy with your choice.
If you are into convertibles and you still want a somewhat practical machine, the MINI can't be beat IMO. I know someone who recently bought a new Pontiac Solstice..... Gorgeous car, but in comparison to the MINI convertible, the Solstice (and soon to be released Saturn Sky) fall short in many, many areas. The Solstice has almost ZERO trunk space because the gas tank is smack right in the center, so you can only put a few bags in the narrow surrounding. Second the top is manual, which in my opinion sucks if you need to quickly raise it, unlike the fully motorized MINI fabric roof. Third, the car lacks side airbags. Totally unexcusable lack of a crucial safety feature that is offered in most cars in its class. Fourth, the normally aspirated ECOTEC engine sucks. At 170HP it lacks grunt to properl the 2,900+ pound Solstice and sounds like a tractor when pushed. The stock engine doesn't do justice to this car at all. (GM will soon release a turbocharged version to address the poor response of the base engine).
The interior is a mixed bag of acceptable quality plastics and cheap assembly. You'll be the judge.
So again, if your thing is open top motoring and are willing to put up with the added admission price ($5K+ over the regular hardtop) and the other shortcomings over the cheaper, but more solid, better handling and more practical hardtop hatchback, then you will be perfectly happy with your choice.
I too thought about the cabrio--but-- the lines are not as nice, its heavier, more $$$, not as safe w/2 fewer airbags, you can do the panaramic roof, its got better visibility and if you weigh more than 115# you cant even sit on the tail gate-----I do love convertibles---for the price of that option you can buy a datsun roadster---mine is a 1966 and I love it as much as my '05 mcs purple haze with aero kit ,JCW, and almost every other option
The MINI convertible has side airbags and in fact they are much bigger than the hardtop's because they don't only cover the chest area but the head as well. It is false to say that the MINI convertible does not have side airbags when in fact has one of the most advanced systems available in a mass production convertible.
Great thread. When my wife and I went MINI shopping recently, we were all set to buy the convert, but ended up ordering the hard top for several reasons that have all been pretty much hashed and rehashed here (lack of visibility, doesn't look as "classic" or nice, etc.)
During the test drive we loved the sunroof feature and the ability to put the top up/down at a stoplight. The two main reasons we decided against the convert were that we already own a Miata, and also that we wouldn't feel safe letting our two teenaged drivers behind the wheel due to the massive blind spots.
Sure you can use the side mirrors, but that doesn't help with things directly behind you. That's why BMW installs the fancy radar beeping thingy for when you back up.
In the end, you have to decide whether you're a convertible person or not. If you are (and we are,) you can easily live with all the shortcomings mentioned here because when you drop that top it's all worth it. You can decide if you're a convert person by renting one for a day or weekend. It doesn't have to be a MINI -- any convert will give you the feel.
Good luck with your decision.
During the test drive we loved the sunroof feature and the ability to put the top up/down at a stoplight. The two main reasons we decided against the convert were that we already own a Miata, and also that we wouldn't feel safe letting our two teenaged drivers behind the wheel due to the massive blind spots.
Sure you can use the side mirrors, but that doesn't help with things directly behind you. That's why BMW installs the fancy radar beeping thingy for when you back up.
In the end, you have to decide whether you're a convertible person or not. If you are (and we are,) you can easily live with all the shortcomings mentioned here because when you drop that top it's all worth it. You can decide if you're a convert person by renting one for a day or weekend. It doesn't have to be a MINI -- any convert will give you the feel.
Good luck with your decision.
Originally Posted by C4
I know someone who recently bought a new Pontiac Solstice .....
The interior is a mixed bag of acceptable quality plastics and cheap assembly. You'll be the judge.
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Originally Posted by chows4us
They are ALL chick and Clown cars and CUTE so what your point?

Originally Posted by wsalopek
Yes, the coupe has many technical and practical and even a couple esthetic advantages, but for me, the guy who started this thread, the verdict is:
That is one happy kid.
Two MINIs - The best of BOTH worlds!
I have to agree with ronburton. The Cabrio is the best car I have ever owned and has given me the best driving experience I have ever had. That being said, as much as I love the cabrio with top up or down, I am still buying a new MCS JCW GP this year because I too want the hardtop look (not to mention the performance from the GP!) Then we will have two MINIs...gosh I love these cars!
Originally Posted by ronburton
I'm a huge fan of convertibles and have owned several including a Honda S600, a Miata, a TR8, currently own a TR3 and just sold my S2000, but when I decided to buy a MINI I never considered a convertible. I think my main reasons for not buying a MINI convertible are personal taste and personal perception of the intention of the car's design. I don't like the way the MINI convertible looks when the top is up or when the top is down. The top always appears to be an after thought. Since the top appears to be an after thought when I see one I am left with the perception that it was not the intention of the original design to have the car be a convertible.
Convertibles always have the problems with noise, smoke from traffic, not being able to hold conversations on the highway, messing up the ladie's hair, visibility with the top up, etc. but top down driving is some of the best driving experience there is. If you want a convertible you need to have at least 2 cars, a MINI and the convertible.
Ron
Convertibles always have the problems with noise, smoke from traffic, not being able to hold conversations on the highway, messing up the ladie's hair, visibility with the top up, etc. but top down driving is some of the best driving experience there is. If you want a convertible you need to have at least 2 cars, a MINI and the convertible.

Ron
Originally Posted by shooler
I don't know...I think they can look pretty good with a little attention




