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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by F15EWeapon
Reality is... if you build a JCW MSC, you have to add the sports package.

Then I added: Leather: Panther Black (for the custom seats)
Chrome Line interior (for the anthracite gauges)
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Piano Black interior, to compensate for the specific GP dash
18" JCW star spokes $2334
JCW sport Suspension $945 (and we all know that's for the parts only)
JCW Door Sills
JCW Carbon fiber Mirrors, Scoop, and spoiler

Grand total $36,090.... add in the Aero kit to compensate for extra bit of body kit on a GP, add $1250 plus installation...

So that's how I made a ballpark $38,000. Even if the GP was $1000 less than a built online JCW..still a bargain.
So you loaded your spec up with stuff not on the GP. It doesn't even have Xenons or DSC, remember. The GP comes out at $1000 more than a JCW S with JCW suspension, and offers a lot less in terms of "features."

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As far as a valid reason for deleting the seat... I have no idea. I'd be happy with a design that had easily "removable" seats in the rear. Way cooler!
Exactly. That would have been perfect. Instead we get "an aluminum finished cargo brace bar."
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 11:44 AM
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Do you suppose the Czechs are pissed they got the rear seats instead of the "an aluminum finished cargo brace bar."

BTW, where am I gonna get elastic cords w/ hooks big enough to wrap around that bar for securing my cargo? Didn't the MINI engineers think about this before they put it back there? I mean really.

Oh, while they are at it can I get the grocery bag holder in an aluminium finish also?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 02:15 PM
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I dont think there's a credible reason for this car, period. At least the MC40 had something significantly historical as its primary reason-to-be. This car has nothing except a Soobie-ish wing, hideous wheels, and a neat chrome shower curtain rod in the back. Blah. A lot of money for a lot of nothing. I'm surprised it has a radio--if it indeed does. Jimbo
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 02:43 PM
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by XAlfa
So you loaded your spec up with stuff not on the GP. It doesn't even have Xenons or DSC, remember. The GP comes out at $1000 more than a JCW S with JCW suspension, and offers a lot less in terms of "features."



Exactly. That would have been perfect. Instead we get "an aluminum finished cargo brace bar."
XAlfa,

You're wrong about the pricing. The GP does have DSC, but no Xenon. It does have 18" Upgrade wheels, and aero kit, etc. The MSRP on a built car like this would exceed the 31,150 price tag by at least $5000.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by F15EWeapon

Has anyone seen exactly how much weight has been removed from the GP vs. Stock JCW?
99 pounds.


Originally Posted by MINIGUY99

The GP does have ... an aero kit.
Albeit a tacky looking one
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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hideous Hideous HIDEOUS... especially when one can't configure the GP the way one wishes--just like the MC40, another specialty flop.

No xenons, but DSC? Now, that's a true driver's car

And they're trying to shave weight, but adding an aero kit and those wheels? (oops wait they are 4-spoke, so they Have to be lighter, right?)

I have to admit tho I do like the darkened gauges....

Yet for a few thou more I could snag a gently used late 1990s NSX that's already taken its depreciation hit. It'd be a much more stylish stablemate for my MCS, more fun to drive, and just as exclusive--plus my Honda mechanic could work on it. JB
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by XAlfa
It doesn't even have Xenons or DSC, remember. The GP comes out at $1000 more than a JCW S with JCW suspension, and offers a lot less in terms of "features."
Yeah it does come with DSC along with JCW Brakes, JCW Suspension, JCW Kit. It's bargain.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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Any chance the rear bar could be used to attach harnesses?? Logic?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:32 PM
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Looks alright IMO, if the bar does add to structure all is well. One thing does puzzle me though, why keep the rear "oh crap handles"??? . I mean is the co-pilot really gonna get thrown back there to need to grab it? Very puzzling
They're for hanging your racesuit gear on clotheshangers on the way to the track!
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:34 PM
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There will never be rug rats in the back of my MINI, and no free rides to anyone too cheap to buy their own MINI.

Makes perfect sense to me, voted with my checkbook yesterday.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Ray
There will never be rug rats in the back of my MINI, and no free rides to anyone too cheap to buy their own MINI.
Mean people suck, as they say.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MINIGUY99
XAlfa,

You're wrong about the pricing. The GP does have DSC, but no Xenon. It does have 18" Upgrade wheels, and aero kit, etc. The MSRP on a built car like this would exceed the 31,150 price tag by at least $5000.
Could definitely be wrong about DSC, but that was the last I heard. Deleting the required sensors was part of the weight savings. What's your source on it definitely being included?

So, I must be missing something on the pricing:

Base S: $21,450
Sport Package: $1400
JCW Kit: $6300
JCW suspension: $1500 (installed)
Aluminum control arms: $200
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That comes out to: $30,850

Of course you're short 4hp, but you're also short Xenons and maybe a few other bits. So where does the other $5,000 come from?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 06:20 PM
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And if the "cargo brace bar" is only aluminum "finished," then is it made from plastic? Douglas fir?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 06:28 PM
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i really thought of removing mine since they had no function whatsoever, but then decided it is a lot of work and has no cool factor
Sorry Scuderia....but "has no cool factor" ? I only laugh because, I don't understand why we all care what others think...it should be what you feel is cool and what you want to do
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by XAlfa
So where does the other $5,000 come from?
one helluva tacky,expensive aero kit? the utility grey paint surcharge? those Yugo-ish wheels? CR mirror caps? The Sti wing? Darkened gauges????

C'mon XAlfa this is pricey stuff here, and OH SO WORTH IT :impatient
 
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 08:32 PM
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New vocabulary word...pay attention

Originally Posted by sequence
one helluva tacky,expensive aero kit? the utility grey paint surcharge? those Yugo-ish wheels? CR mirror caps? The Sti wing? Darkened gauges????

C'mon XAlfa this is pricey stuff here, and OH SO WORTH IT :impatient
Because instead of being Craptastic, it's Craptabulous!

Craptabulous though it may be, it ain't my cup of tea... I like the ability to select my own options, and I'm not certainly not weight obsessed enough to forego Xenon headlights.

Rawhyde

PS No flames please, I'm a member in good standing of Team Craptastic!
 
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by XAlfa
Mean people suck, as they say.
I now realize that as starter of this GP bashing thread, You should know. Subject matter expert recognized.
 
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 04:36 AM
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In nearly four years I haven't had one rear seat passenger (in fact, I've only had a front seat passenger once), but I've had plenty of other stuff in the back. I've never needed a rear seat and never wanted one, but I'm not the least bit interested in a traditional "2-seater." What I really want -- and all I need -- is a two-seat MINI.

On the other hand, I'm definitely underwhelmed by the GP.....don't like the wheels, don't like the body kit, REALLY don't like the price. And though I think you're a bit too obsessed, I have to agree about the "aluminum finished cargo brace bar".....but if I can remove the rear seats from my MC I'm sure you can remove the "aluminum finished cargo brace bar" from a GP.
 
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 08:27 AM
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[quote=Rawhyde]Because instead of being Craptastic, it's Craptabulous![quote]

Methinks craptacular is more appro-po!
 
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