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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeL
To me a new MINI with free maintenance and under warrantee trumps everything on your list on first glance. Why mess with a still expensive used car that is much closer to costing lots of $$ to keep up?

When I turned 16, in 1986, my dad let me drive his old 1976 Honda Civic CVCC that had about 150,000 miles on it and I was lucky to have that. I can't remember anyone in my circle of freinds (and none were by any means poor) that had a car newer than 5 years old (oh, I did forget about the one guy whose mom bought him a Buick Regal T -Type with the insurance settlement from when his dad died).

Count your blessings.
My parents couldn't buy me a car when I turned 16, and didn't have one until I turned 21. Only because the girl I married had one... Guess you can say I married my first car (a '66? Dodge Dart GT) - DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE!

Fine car, lousy marriage.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeL
When I turned 16, in 1986, my dad let me drive his old 1976 Honda Civic CVCC that had about 150,000 miles on it and I was lucky to have that. I can't remember anyone in my circle of freinds (and none were by any means poor) that had a car newer than 5 years old (oh, I did forget about the one guy whose mom bought him a Buick Regal T -Type with the insurance settlement from when his dad died).

Count your blessings.
Ahh another Child of the 1980's! I drove a Buick Regal T- Type back in 1987: Full throttle - smoked the tires, 3/4 throttle - smoked the tires, half throttle - smoked the tires, 1/4 throttle - Chirped the tires. If I would have had stock in a tire manufacturing company I would have gotten that car.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RallyMINI2005
BMW 330 Ci:
Good luck finding one of these cheap, they are usually VERY expensive, even used. Also, they are expensive to maintain once they are off their warranty... RM2k5
HMM Sounds familiar, Just ask anyone who has bought a used MINI! Good luck finding one cheaply, Usually VERY Expesive, even used. Also. Very expensive to maintain once they are off their warrenty.

The only real difference bewteen a used 330Ci and a MINI Cooper is the drive wheels location and the cost to insure. A 1.6 liter I4 is an economy car and front wheel drive to boot. Add a Supercharger [MCS] and the insurance companies sees it as a RACE CAR. But atleast the MCS is front wheel drive! The insurance companies see the 330Ci as a Rear wheel drive RACE CAR.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DrDiff
Ahh another Child of the 1980's! I drove a Buick Regal T- Type back in 1987: Full throttle - smoked the tires, 3/4 throttle - smoked the tires, half throttle - smoked the tires, 1/4 throttle - Chirped the tires. If I would have had stock in a tire manufacturing company I would have gotten that car.
I'm an 80's child as well. We had the Turbo Regal. I "took" it one day and pulled a 180 from a stop at redline. Drove it right back home and parked it... Mom wanted to get rid of it and get a Grand National, but decided to get the Caprice Classic instead.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 10:06 AM
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I can tell you that insurance for a 3-series way more expensive then the MINI, my 325Ci is like $100 more than my MINI for 6 months (consider I have good driving record, age 30 and married), also 2 doors is more expensive than 4 doors. So don't expect 330Ci can be any cheaper to be insured compare to 350z.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 10:07 AM
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Tell her you have also started researching motorcycles
LOL that'd do it!
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DrDiff
HMM Sounds familiar, Just ask anyone who has bought a used MINI! Good luck finding one cheaply, Usually VERY Expesive, even used. Also. Very expensive to maintain once they are off their warrenty.

The only real difference bewteen a used 330Ci and a MINI Cooper is the drive wheels location and the cost to insure. A 1.6 liter I4 is an economy car and front wheel drive to boot. Add a Supercharger [MCS] and the insurance companies sees it as a RACE CAR. But atleast the MCS is front wheel drive! The insurance companies see the 330Ci as a Rear wheel drive RACE CAR.
Can't speak for all insurance companies, but the ones I checked don't have a large premium difference between the two MINI models.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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well my insurance on the 68 mustang is like $2300 a six months... and i do appreciate the help im gettin with the car...by the way the mustang was my first car it hardly runs and were trying to get rid of it...(too much for parts) ... i love how unique the car is and just feel its the best bang for the buck... i found one at the dealership that is exactly how the one i made online was...

MCS
DS/BLK
6-sp
Sports
premium
chrono pack

I know what you guys are saying and i know insurance doesnt pertain to this because im still 17, but i dont drive wrecklessly at all so as far as my own safety and the safety of others
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 12:11 PM
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Are you saying that your insurance is $2300 every six months, as in $4600 per year?! If I had to pay that much for car insurance, I'd screw it and just buy a really sweet bike (meaning bicycle). That's just beyond insane.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisnl
Are you saying that your insurance is $2300 every six months, as in $4600 per year?! If I had to pay that much for car insurance, I'd screw it and just buy a really sweet bike (meaning bicycle). That's just beyond insane.
I was on my moms policy, and paid 50$ a month for insurance on my 89 t-bird when i was 17. 100$ a month on my own policy for my miata with full coverage at 17/18, then they told me they put down the wrong age, and it was upped to 150$ a month at 18. dropped to liability only, putting it at 100$ a month again at 19. 4 days after i dropped to liability only, i got into an accident. bought my mini that day, and insurance went up to 150$ a month for both cars at 19. Sold the miata, and my accident was put on my record. At 20, i'm paying 250$ a month for just my mini, with state minimum limits, no medpay, nothing. If i kept it at 50/100, 5k medpay, 500 deductibles... it would be 341$ a month. Hmmm... glad i don't have any tickets.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 01:27 PM
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i have no tickets not even a warning.. no accidents it was hard to insure that car
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisnl
Are you saying that your insurance is $2300 every six months

and yes it is insane thats why were getting out of it
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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That is insane.. even when I was 20 with speeding 4 tickets and full coverage on my 98 A4 2.8 that worth more than $30k at that time. It cost me $1200 for 6 month.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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hutto, make an excel spreadsheet for your mom showing the cars you are considering, comparing price, mileage, insurance estimates, safety features, standard features (such as a/c, cd player) and print it out.

Then, arrange another test-drive and this time, ask your mom to also drive the MINI. As she is driving the MINI, take the opportunity to mention that perhaps a motorcycle (brilliant, namwob) would be a more economical choice! LOL! That should help clinch the deal for you!


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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by hutto
well

I know what you guys are saying and i know insurance doesnt pertain to this because im still 17, but i dont drive wrecklessly at all so as far as my own safety and the safety of others
When I was 17, I didn't think I drove wrecklessly either.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LeeL
When I was 17, I didn't think I drove wrecklessly either.
i really dont i obey speed limits well at most go 5 miles over and follow all other laws
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hutto
i really dont i obey speed limits well at most go 5 miles over and follow all other laws
Hmm thats what I thought when I was 17 too
Just teasing ya
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 07:24 PM
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Give the kid a freakin' break!

I didn't get a car from my folks in high school, (but got hand me downs in college), but I lived near a rich neighborhood, and some of the high school rides were way out there! (one was a twin turbo elcamino with a 350 small block) so what if his mom is more generous than yours were, she's less generous than others are. So what! That's between him and his mom, and is none of our business.
I too had high insureance premiums. Can you say $4k a year in 1983? didn't last long, but was scary high for a while (long stories there! Just remember to pay all your tickets!) this varies by state and the like. I'm both surprised and not at the 68 mustang costing much. My 65 is a V8 convertable, but I didn't own it as a teen. But it's my cheapest car to insure (and I have a declared value policy at wayyyyyyyyy over blue book). Parts for a 68 ford are a lot less than the Mini, so if it's costing in parts, it's just tired and may need a good going over (but depending on condition, it may not be cheap, not from parts cost, but number or cheap parts). Try National Parts Depot, Mustangs Plus, or YEar One for other prices. I think you can even get reproduction seat cushins for the 68. 71 is harder to find, but the reproduction marketplace is hopping with parts. I could build a new 65 car from reproduction parts, many of which (except rear quarter panels, grrrr) are better than Ford originally made in the factory!

What he's asking for many are speaking to. Let's stick to being helpful, and not preachy.

Matt
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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"Wreckless" is my all-time favorite misspelling on NAM. The intended meaning couldn't possibly be any farther from the actual meaning.

Woops, you said not to be preachy.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisnl
"Wreckless" is my all-time favorite misspelling on NAM. The intended meaning couldn't possibly be any farther from the actual meaning.

Woops, you said not to be preachy.

youre right ...stupid mistake
 
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 06:24 AM
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Oops, I just copied what was quoted and did not even remember how to spell reckless.


I am not cracking or preaching at all. It is sweet to have parents wanting to give you such a nice car, just make sure you appreciate it.

As far as the reckless driving thing. I'm half joking. Just be carefull out there.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ThomB
I'm an 80's child as well. We had the Turbo Regal. I "took" it one day and pulled a 180 from a stop at redline. Drove it right back home and parked it... Mom wanted to get rid of it and get a Grand National, but decided to get the Caprice Classic instead.
This is even more a tragedy than the works of the Bard!
 
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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Hey my mom loves the MINI

and she's 79
 
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 08:37 PM
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Nice said



Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
I didn't get a car from my folks in high school, (but got hand me downs in college), but I lived near a rich neighborhood, and some of the high school rides were way out there! (one was a twin turbo elcamino with a 350 small block) so what if his mom is more generous than yours were, she's less generous than others are. So what! That's between him and his mom, and is none of our business.
I too had high insureance premiums. Can you say $4k a year in 1983? didn't last long, but was scary high for a while (long stories there! Just remember to pay all your tickets!) this varies by state and the like. I'm both surprised and not at the 68 mustang costing much. My 65 is a V8 convertable, but I didn't own it as a teen. But it's my cheapest car to insure (and I have a declared value policy at wayyyyyyyyy over blue book). Parts for a 68 ford are a lot less than the Mini, so if it's costing in parts, it's just tired and may need a good going over (but depending on condition, it may not be cheap, not from parts cost, but number or cheap parts). Try National Parts Depot, Mustangs Plus, or YEar One for other prices. I think you can even get reproduction seat cushins for the 68. 71 is harder to find, but the reproduction marketplace is hopping with parts. I could build a new 65 car from reproduction parts, many of which (except rear quarter panels, grrrr) are better than Ford originally made in the factory!

What he's asking for many are speaking to. Let's stick to being helpful, and not preachy.

Matt
 
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 09:52 PM
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Are you willing to wait? To continue driving whatever you're driving now for the next 2 -- 4 -- even six months? Not in a "I'll hold my breath til I turn blue" kind of way, but in a "I'm serious about this and I've done my homework and I think you'll warm up to the idea given enough time" kind of way? I like Clo's spreadsheet idea, but if that doesn't work you might just have to be patient to prove that this is not a whim on your part.

BTW I agree with a lot of MGCman's points. I hope you're thinking MC for now rather than MCS.
 
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