I thought coke was supposed to go up the nose.





Oh, that Coke.

 

Funny how people get testy about using FOG lights in CLEAR weather. I agree that the vast majority of zombies on the road are a menace, don't use lights when they should and sure as hell don't pay attention, but the extra light thrown (widely) by fogs doesn't increase your visibility all that much, and the pattern DOES interfere with oncoming traffic.




















From the Peterson Vehicle Lighting website:

FOG VS. DRIVING LIGHT
There has always been some confusion between a fog and driving light beam pattern.

Fog Beam —provides a low, wide pattern to greatly increase short-range visibility. Ideal for added driving safety in rain, snow or fog.

Driving Beam —produces a long-range pencil-shaped light pattern. Greatly increases night time visibility at highway speeds.

Bottom line: If you're looking where the fog lights are illuminating, you're looking too closely in front of you car - unless you're parked. Keeping the fogs on all the time is a fashion statement, no more, no less.

Fog lights = fog.
Driving lights = driving.

I'm done preaching. I don't drive in Miami or CT, so if y'all wanna lump in with the Grand Am and F-150 crowd, go ahead. I'm keeping my fogs off until it's foggy. . .

Have a lovely day.

 

I am not affected by anyone else running thier fogs. I don't care whatsoever what anyone thinks of me running my fogs. I think it looks good, it illuminates more of the road. Whether that is beneficial to anyone else - don't give a crap. I'm not testy - it's in fact those that feel the need to dictate how OTHERS should be using thier fogs that get testy! I say do whatever you want with them - it's YOUR CAR.

 

So if you see me coming at you with my high beams on, and driving lights blaring, I don't wanna hear about it, because it's MY CAR and I think it LOOKS GOOD.

It's a thing called common courtesy, which, I guess, isn't so common anymore.

Face it, dude - I'm not gonna change your mind and you're not gonna change mine. I present the facts, you can choose to ignore 'em. It doesn't affect me one way or another. . .

 

I've never been bothered by fog lights coming the other way. Maybe that's because I don't look directly at them. What's the big deal?

I live in a very rural part of the country and use my fogs often. The side lighting helps me see little animals that scurry in from the brush on either side of the road. It helps me see potholes and frost heaves in plenty of time to avoid them. When I drive in the big city fifty miles away I turn them off. Ditto for the Interstate, as there are no potholes and fogs won't help me see the occasional deer or moose any better.

But I don't understand the animousity this topic has brought to the surface. I just remember back to my drivers' ed course 30 years ago when the instructor told me to keep oncoming lights in the peripheral vision so I wouldn't be blinded. And whaddya know, it actually works!

 

If you need to use fogs to see better in clear conditions,I would guess your on a back road,not a highway,because by the time you see something at highway speeds in the beam of the fogs you are going to hit it.MINI or not.
If your using fogs as intended,your speed should be reduced,making the lamps useful.
My xenons light the road from my line of sight,from right in front of the car,no dark area,to well down the road,plus they light up almost 90 degrees into the ditches.
The hot spot from any lamp will show up better if you are behind the lamp,but the scatter,and bounce will be seen by those in front of the lamp.
I'm a stagehand,deal with lighting stages,and we always mask the lighting instruments,otherwise the source will blind the fans.Short of a laser,and even it widens the farther it throws,light scatters,it bounces.

Any lamp viewed from the front will effect those looking at it,regardless of it's hot spot.The more lamps,the more light,period.

Sure,our MINIs look cool with all the lamps turned on,but do you want to blind that oncoming traffic,and have someone head to the light

 

Yes, I live in a very rural area and half the roads I travel are dirt/gravel. The population of my town is 7, and the nearby tourist town has about 3k residents and pretty decent roads. Still, around here a sizeable majority of vehicles use their fogs constantly at night regardless of conditions.

I suppose I could get all bent out of shape about it, and launch some sort of dim it or ticket campaign, but it doesn't bother me nor apparently the 70% of other drivers in the area who run fogs at night. Heck, even the local police SUVs run with their fogs on half the time! I personally find oncoming HIDs much more difficult to deal with.

Bottom line: like the steady deterioration of the English language, it's not something I can change so it's not a battle I choose to fight. Pete

 

One glaring (pun intended) difference - fogs in the vast majority of states are not illegal. Highbeams in traffic are. So go ahead - get a ticket I'll drive past you on the side of the road with my fogs on and wave

 

This assumes that the fog lights are aimed properly, so often they are not. From approacheing vehicles how often have you noticed that one light was brighter than another? It is because the light is improperly aimed.

Most people, service stations, and dealers have no idea of how to properly aim headlights, much less fog lights or driving lights. Different lights, sealed beam, halogen, Xenon, projector, driving, fog beam, all require different aiming. If you would like to learn more this is an excellant source of information: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/home.html

I take exception to this: danielgQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo-Baggins
But I am sure that you would only use them when fog conditions occure ..... right?

This is where this thread went to hell.


If we were to look for where we got off topic I think the credit belongs here:

Originally Posted by C4
I have the fully functional 6 switch toggle bank in my '05 MCS. It is much cheaper .......
..........the extra safety margin of the fog lights, plus the car looks great with them on at night

 

On my motor home tonight no amount of light would have helped.Heavy thunderstorm, the wipers could hardly keep up, and traffic slowed to a crawl on the highway.My fogs were barely showing the way.Sure glad I had them when they were needed though.In this case they looked good, as apposed to when they they would just annoy on-coming traffic.

 

And? Did I say something wrong?