R50/53 New thermostat, New water pump, Still overheating!
#26
All jokes aside, there have been past threads on this forum where members have sheared off the "ears" of the supercharger (which interface with identical ears on water pump) whilst wrestling with removing it, or the water pump, or both.
Stupid Question: Your drive belt is still intact and spinning the supercharger pulley, correct?
#27
It's working then, as fluid is moving through the system, just not through the heater core as far as I can tell. That would rule out the PTO gears being bad. I changed out the serpentine belt last week Everything spins as it should. Once I rule out the thermostat again tonight, I am going to try and bleed the system a few more times. If that doesn't do it, I am going to breakdown and have it towed to a shop to let them try and figure it out.
#28
+1 thats a good test to rule it out, i have seen new ones stick, rare but it happens even with the OEM MINI one.
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#30
Tested the thermostat and it opened at 195 as it should. I bled the system again after it was all back together. It took it longer to overheat, but still did. I watched the fan as well. So, the low-speed fan isn't turning on. All I got is the high speed fan turning on at 233f. What are the odds that not having the low speed fan working would cause the problem?
#31
Your finding is exactly what I expect given the odds.
You should get the low speed fan fixed. As a temporary fix you can wire the low speed to the high speed if you know what you are doing so at low speed the fan will run at high speed. Much better than no low speed.
You should stop trying to second guess your problem and proceed to check the PTO gear unless you find it too difficult to perform.
You should get the low speed fan fixed. As a temporary fix you can wire the low speed to the high speed if you know what you are doing so at low speed the fan will run at high speed. Much better than no low speed.
You should stop trying to second guess your problem and proceed to check the PTO gear unless you find it too difficult to perform.
#32
I don't know if you have the tool to remove the belt from the supercharger. If you don't you can only try to spin the PTO, and if you can spin it with your fingers it is conclusive the gear are toasted. If you cannot spin it it is not conclusive as it could be toasted and seized in a mess inside. The conclusive check is to spin the pulley side of the SC and see if the PTO spin in unison.
Still if you have very high miles the best is to open the PTO and check the condition of the gears as well as top up the oil if all is well.
Still if you have very high miles the best is to open the PTO and check the condition of the gears as well as top up the oil if all is well.
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#34
To OP. One more fruit for thought. If your car ran fine and rather suddenly it overheats and given all the steps you have done, it is almost certainly is the coolant not circulating through the radiator. Corrosion that cause a radiator to clog is very rare nowadays. The only thing that remains that you haven't confirm is if the SC PTO reliably turns the water pump. Additionally you have no heat from the heater which is another strong evidence the new water pump is not pumping water.
#35
To OP. One more fruit for thought. If your car ran fine and rather suddenly it overheats and given all the steps you have done, it is almost certainly is the coolant not circulating through the radiator. Corrosion that cause a radiator to clog is very rare nowadays. The only thing that remains that you haven't confirm is if the SC PTO reliably turns the water pump. Additionally you have no heat from the heater which is another strong evidence the new water pump is not pumping water.
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#37
Great that you’ve finally uncovered the cause of your overheating problem.
So we’re talking about the internal gears inside the s/c PTO end, and not the ‘ears’ that interface with the water pump, correct? Maybe post a pic of the point of failure?
I’d also make it a priority to fix your fan, whether you replace the entire unit, or swap out just the failed low speed resistor. FWIW, if you do end up replacing the fan, hold onto the faulty one, as you can throw on a new resistor and have a backup ready to go if you have a resistor fail again in the future.
Let us know how you make out after the s/c has been replaced.
So we’re talking about the internal gears inside the s/c PTO end, and not the ‘ears’ that interface with the water pump, correct? Maybe post a pic of the point of failure?
I’d also make it a priority to fix your fan, whether you replace the entire unit, or swap out just the failed low speed resistor. FWIW, if you do end up replacing the fan, hold onto the faulty one, as you can throw on a new resistor and have a backup ready to go if you have a resistor fail again in the future.
Let us know how you make out after the s/c has been replaced.
#38
So, my stock 03 MCS was overheating so I changed the water pump and thermostat. Got everything back together (with several bumps along the way) and now it's still overheating. I let it run with the heat on and bled the system (no hot air coming out BTW). The cooling fan comes on at 235f, but it does almost nothing to bring down the temperature. Any ideas on where to go next?
#39
Thanks for the info! So, I followed the steps above. When the thermostat opened, my level dropped in the tank. I added coolant to it, but I never got any coolant out of the top bleeder port. As it got hotter, the expansion tank filled back up and start sounding like there where marbles in it. All I got out of the tip bleeder was hot air coming out. I tried again with the same results. Do you think there is a blockage somewhere in the system?
Last edited by vhoeung; 07-11-2019 at 01:31 PM.
#40
It is possible that the radiator is clogged, from someone using stop leak. If this is the case a new radiator will be needed! (about $120)
If it is building pressure and blowing out the cap, the head gasket may be blown. Use a cooling system pressure tester to find where the leak is. You will have to remove the spark plugs to see if water is getting into the cylinders! An inspection camera, to put down the holes will be helpful. Don't go over 15 psi for the pressure test!
If it is building pressure and blowing out the cap, the head gasket may be blown. Use a cooling system pressure tester to find where the leak is. You will have to remove the spark plugs to see if water is getting into the cylinders! An inspection camera, to put down the holes will be helpful. Don't go over 15 psi for the pressure test!
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