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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 11:30 AM
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I was under the impression that the Evolution was a completely different car, with the exception of the styling. Not much is interchangable, it just looks the same...


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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by macncheese
I was under the impression that the Evolution was a completely different car, with the exception of the styling. Not much is interchangable, it just looks the same...


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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:02 PM
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The Lancer and Lancer EVO are built off the same platform, regardless of what it looks like or what is interchangeable (I assume you mean body parts). Cavaliers and sunfires are built off the same platforms as well and except for the first few years, look totally different...the only thing being interchangeable are mechanical parts...the same things that are interchageable with the Lancer and Lancer EVO.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:10 PM
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http://www.mitsubishicars.com/lancer...hi_models.html

Make sure you select the EVO 8 and not the RS and select the basic Lance and see the difrences.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MandaBoo
But the Evo is definitely not just a souped up Lancer, it really only shares a few body panels, otherwise almost everything else is different
The Lancer EVO is just that...a souped up Lancer, just like a Dodge Neon SRT-4 is a souped up Neon.


BTW, I haven't heard of any manufacturer using the same body panel from platform to platform.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 04yellowS
The Lancer EVO is just that...a souped up Lancer, just like a Dodge Neon SRT-4 is a souped up Neon.


BTW, I haven't heard of any manufacturer using the same body panel from platform to platform.
Just like the Cooper S is a souped up Cooper.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:16 PM
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The two are difrent even the wheel base and inside cubic feet are difrent. To me if i compare them side by side they are two totaly difrent cars that share similar Characteristics
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:24 PM
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here yah go
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:24 PM
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I can speak to a few points on here, a friend of mine has a 2003 Evo, with about 20,000MI on it now... Has had the transfer case replaced (almost died on his), A/C recharged and it has a horrible rattle in the rear-suspension that the dealer fixes for a while then it re-appears... He drives is fast sometimes, but doesn't abuse it (off-roading, burnouts, racing)Whilst it is a great handling, accelerating and braking car (not to mention it's foul weather capabilities with good tires!)- their are sacrafices for this.

I seriously considered one instead of my the MCS, the economics of it at the time held me back (mainly 30% higher car insurance and real-world 23MPG highway ) The quality on em is rough and the interior (save the seats) feels low-rent... Tho perhaps like the initial Mini's, they will improve things as time goes along??? I'm also curious as to the resale of em???
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinLewis
http://www.mitsubishicars.com/lancer...hi_models.html

Make sure you select the EVO 8 and not the RS and select the basic Lance and see the difrences.
Just because wheelbase is different doesn't mean it's a different platform. Platform is not literal, take a regular cab truck and an extended cab truck, same model, same platform(as in design), just one is longer than the other.

X platform, regardless of length, is a design. It doesn't necessarily mean all are the same wheelbase.

The Lancer EVO was designed off the Lancer platform and tweaked....so it is a souped up Lancer.

And you can interchange parts between the two, unlike a Cavalier and a Corvette.


Oh well, I'd be ticked too if someone were to say my SS is just a souped up Z28....oh yeah, it is....
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinLewis
Just like the Cooper S is a souped up Cooper.
That's why I bought my S.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 04yellowS
Just because wheelbase is different doesn't mean it's a different platform. Platform is not literal, take a regular cab truck and an extended cab truck, same model, same platform(as in design), just one is longer than the other.

X platform, regardless of length, is a design. It doesn't necessarily mean all are the same wheelbase.

The Lancer EVO was designed off the Lancer platform and tweaked....so it is a souped up Lancer.

And you can interchange parts between the two, unlike a Cavalier and a Corvette.


Oh well, I'd be ticked too if someone were to say my SS is just a souped up Z28....oh yeah, it is....
I will agree with that. The Evo 8 was inspired from the Lance yes. but you cant take parts from one and stick it on the other either.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:34 PM
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"unlike a Cavalier and a Corvette"

Never say never. They almost did it, they just called it a GTO. Nice by the way. And no long stories about how that's not a cavalier platform either.

I think we all get the platform argument. Can you all at least agree that the EVO will go like stink, and this guy should be allowed to enjoy his new car like the rest of us.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:40 PM
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In the three track events I was at this year, I never was passed by an Evo or a WRX. I have always done the passing. They might be fast, but they sure don't handle.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mtrspt5
In the three track events I was at this year, I never was passed by an Evo or a WRX. I have always done the passing. They might be fast, but they sure don't handle.
I think they handle better than the cooper s. Again this is my opinion. They feel more balanced when in the corner and seem to pull right through it.

In racing it is usual 80% Diriver and 20% car. If some one that knew how to drive a EVO or STI and knew how to push it hard i think it would take the cooper s. Again just my opinion.

I give up. "walks to get me a used astro van to drive around"
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:51 PM
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"They might be fast, but they sure don't handle."

Just curious, were you in stock suspension trim at the time, and do you think the drivers had anything to do with the difference in performance?
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:54 PM
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The original poster is probably long gone by now, but I can't help but wonder why he would have choosen the EVO over the STI. Also on another note can the wheelbase difference be due to alignment or wheel spacing?
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rcase13
The original poster is probably long gone by now, but I can't help but wonder why he would have choosen the EVO over the STI. Also on another note can the wheelbase difference be due to alignment or wheel spacing?
I am the orignal poster.
here is some info on how they compare
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...307scc_stievo/
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 01:06 PM
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JustinLewis,
I understand how frigin frustrating it is to be taking your car to the shop every minute. Hopefully you'll have better luck with the Mitsu
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinLewis
I am the orignal poster.
here is some info on how they compare
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...307scc_stievo/
Super article, thanks for posting that. I can see the EVO appeal... Too bad my wifey won't let me spend that much money. She gets the high priced SAAB and all that's left for me is cars that cost $25k or less... :(

Also I can't help but think the MINI was never right for you. They are such different cars. The MINI is basically a fun gocart and the EVO is a MONSTER on steroids. I've seen them take off the line at a drag race. I've never seen anything leap off the line like that.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 02:44 PM
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The differences in sizes between the Lancer and EVO are mostly with body panels and the such. And yes some parts are interchangeable, but not a lot of the mechanics. The EVO is a rally version of the base Lancer. I really considered one of these seriously. I struggled quite a bit with it, but what eventually held me back, was the horrendous interior, which is almost identical to the base Lancer. I couldn't even get something as simple as cruise control. The quality issues, which it seems gobs of people have. The customer service and long term ownership aspects of the car, the cost, and the very real possibility that I could be stuck with a car with no company left. It is quite a car and has received quite a few awards. It is a little unfair to say that it is a souped up Lancer, since the mechanics are almost entirely different.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2004 | 02:56 PM
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Congrats

Man I didn't know your S was giving you so many problems. No matter the evo is a great car too. I look forward having a good run through the twisties when you head this way again. Hi to Jen.

Sean
 
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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 04:02 PM
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Good choice picking the EVO. I have heard this is one wicked car. How MITSU gets over 270 reliable hp out of a 2.0 liter engine amazes me. Good luck with your new ride...I would have gone the Subaru WRX route, but thank goodness we have performance choices again in the good old USA


 
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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 04:41 PM
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Justin don't let anyone give you a hard time about the Evo. Awesome car. Came very close to buying one instead of my MINI... my main reason for not doing so is that I didn't want to put myself behind the wheel of a car that fast, and of course I would have to modify it like crazy which makes it so insanely fast, I just couldn't trust myself...

Some of the others' concerns here are valid, but those are all things that personally I would have been willing to live with for such a damn fun car. Just keep that in mind and you'll be fine.

Sorry to hear your MINI caused you so much trouble, and enjoy the Evo! :D

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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 04:54 PM
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That thing looks like it was designed in 1993.....
 
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