why do you feel it is better? more driver connected/involved? just wondering

 

ohhh yes they are
the S is pretty OK but regular Cooper is miserable.

 

Had my windshield replaced (ugh stress cracks) and the guy who came over from Safelite said it pretty bluntly.

"Yeah the S's are pretty quick. But the plain Coopers can hardly get out of their own way."

No offense to the Justacoopers, but I'd have to agree.

 

Don't let these guys get you down klein. The EVO is a wicked fast capable car, but it is in a completely different league. And my answer to how to beat one.......very simple

SPIKE STRIP

 

Nice! I would prefer a Crown Vic and the P.I.T. manuver, myself...

 

I love the Evo, would still be driving mine if I hadn't skidded into a railroad ditch last year. Then I bought an R56!

Without saying anything negative about the Mini, b/c I am a fan, I am only going to say that the Evo is a very capable car, capable of doing basically anything involving performance and doing it very well.

if you're looking for a fast autox/drag/track day/daily driver, the Evo is just that; it wears all those hats. It does not suffer from the "lag" everyone attributes to it, and it has an incredible suspension stock.

I like both cars, so no flames.

 

from a pull ive seen minis with the normal mods (intake, headers, exhaust, pully, and injectors) take STOCK evos/sti. BUT from a standstill were talking BIG money haha. Not to mention its rare for for an evo to be stock, and it doesnt take much for one to be put completely out of reach unless you go twincharge or something of that nature....

 

Yeah, one thing to remember, AWD does pull a lot of power at highway speeds. I actually see more stock Evo's/STi's than I do modded ones. Or if they are modded, it's usually a CAI, an RFL BOV (again! ), and maybe a muffler. A lot of the people in my area in them are 18 and have the car because of daddy's money or are late 20's-early 30's business types who need the car everyday without the headaches of a modded car.

 

I have an Evo 8 and also an 06 Mini, there is not much they have in common.. the Evo has a GT35r shoved in it, so the 500+ hp and a the Mini is kinda an odd race.

the mini is not a Drag car, it's a small track car, the Evo on the other hand, handles the drag and alomst any track you thow at it.

lets face it.. the thing hangs with the big boys. the mini has another intended purpose,

I have taken them both to the dragon, the Evo when it was sorta stock and when it was modded, and also the Mini, they are both just as much fun, the Evo is more of a handfull at full power. and comes into streights at about 130 when the mini is not doing more hten 80!. so it might be faster just because of the streigts, but

you will have fun with both.. no matter what.

 

haha, the only close to stock/stock evos I see are sitting on lots and owned by HS kids that have bov, intakes and exhausts I see lots of stock sti though

 

That's funny because I see more modded Scooby's here than I do Evo's. It's not uncommon to see a few nicely worked WRX's/STi's in a day.

 

...nitrous??

 

haha, nice. My point was though, trying to beat an awd monster isnt hard from a roll but thats about all you will achieve (which I think is all hes wanting imo, and is pointless) and thats assuming its stock or close to it. but the cars are just on different levels so everything is possible its just what the goals are and how much money you wanna lay down. for the most part it will come down to the driver if you do get the car to that level. and it doesnt take a good one to throw down good times in an evo LOL

 

 

I beg to differ. On my track day, a very accomplished MCS driver was hitting 115mph on both the front and back straights, I was hitting 102 on both front and back straights. Yes, he was faster, but I don't think that 13mph is miserable by any stretch of the word.

There was another novice, like myself, in a Cooper S that day and I was all over his boot in the turn complex and was aggravating the hell out of an M3, circa E36. Granted he was also a novice and blew my doors off in a straight line, but I was filling his mirrors enough that the corner workers gave me the flag to pass. (it was a silly sight, the "pass" ). But miserable, no way

 

yeah, too bad that on the street when you're in 4th or 5th coasting around 3000rpm, when you stomp on the gas nothing happens you have to rev the crap out of the car to get decent movement. I guess i'm just not used to "that slow" yet.
I'm missing just a daily driver acceleration of my old car. I know that on the track beating the hell our of the cooper I can be quicker than some people in more powerful cars but I don't plan on going to the track with this car because it's not what I bought it for.
I would've kept the old car if I wanted to still race.

 

its all up to what you want... if it were me and i could go back in time.. i would get a sti.. but thats just me.. i dont like mitsu and the subie engine is much better... but ya just wait for the new gtr to come out and buy that and beat everyone lol....

 

Well coming from a stock evo 9, I would say it would take alot to beat it. I ran a 13.4 stock at a mile high in Denver. As far as handling or road course it may be a different story? But lets be fair, 2 totally different cars.

J

 

Subaru engine sounds nicer but "better" is arguable.
For the money, EVO has much better seats and more grip from the electronic diffs.
Take it from the die hard Subaru fan.

 

Well, if you're consistently hitting 130 on the Dragon . . . you got bigger huevos than I

 

haha.. not on a regular.. but it's possable, and quite nutty .. even with the awsome stopping power that car has.. it's not a all day thing

 

You can't top that Boxer "thrumble" from a 4cyl. standpoint. But, the WRX shows it's weakness around 300whp while the STi can stand 400+ and than some. The Evo (8, that is) still had the tried and true 4G63 which can both take a Hell of a beating and be built to take even more.

 

you're correct here. EVO is very mod friendly, maybe tad more than STi.
WRX is little more fragile. Mine has been through 2 trannys, 2 turbos and 2 clutches in 86k miles

 

Hah, can't beat that "glass case" 5 spd. they put in them. The turbo's I can't explain but the clutches and trannsmissions I can. "Ppppf, just rev it and dump the clutch, it'll be fine"
Boom. No more 1st gear or 1-2 syncros.

 

If you read my mods, I pull on older stock 03-05 Evo's from 10-90ish; about 1-3 cars. Basically 15+2, Intake, header, exhaust, injectors, GIAC, and lighter wheels.

But my intercooler gets heatsoaked after a couple of WOT sprints; I can lose enough power to get pulled on in 3rd-4th, even with the water/alcohol sprayer on.