R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006) Cooper (R50) and Cooper S (R53) hatchback discussion.

R50/53 How can I improve my MPG in '03 MCS?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 07:15 PM
  #26  
yellowbritishrocket's Avatar
yellowbritishrocket
Banned
iTrader: (4)
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 943
Likes: 0
From: Clearwater, Florida
i have an 03 with a 15% pulley,intake,exhaust,dtbpv,occ and tsw v2 damper and im pulling 29.7 according to the obc but i get over 300+ per tank and i have the 17" R90's...you might want to consider a ecu reset...have the car relearn for your driving style....but you might want to also look at the coil pack and plug wires...after i swapped my coil pack for a new one and msd wires i gained milage as well
 
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 07:44 PM
  #27  
Rich.Wolfson's Avatar
Rich.Wolfson
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,266
Likes: 3
From: Northern New Jersey
Originally Posted by mpdwag
...
My new-to-me 03 MCS has 68000 miles on it, and I've been getting about 24.2 MPG according to OBC. I use 93 octane gas, and drive about 40 miles per day, about 60/40 city/hwy. (Edit) Oh yeah, 6-speed manual transmission ... Anyone have any suggestions on how I could improve my MPG...
Artoo is an '03 with about the same mileage. My OBC consistently says 22 in town and I get about 30 averaging 70-75 on the run from my house to Summit Point which is about 250 highway miles. The bottom line is that you are probably in the ballpark with 24.

Rich
 
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 09:03 PM
  #28  
Ancient Mariner's Avatar
Ancient Mariner
6th Gear
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,517
Likes: 3
From: Washington. No, the other one.
One biggy to help mileage: Check and set the tire pressure. Don't assume that whoever had it before you set the TPM with correct pressures in the tires. Oh, yeah, I get great mileage for a few miles on the way to work and then the corners show up...
-skip-
 
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2008 | 07:15 AM
  #29  
mpdwag's Avatar
mpdwag
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 122
Likes: 0
From: Texas, Y'all
I've been through three tanks since I started this thread, with the following results: OBC: 24.7/Actual 23.5, OBC 25.6/Actual 24.2, and OBC 25.8/Actual 24.3. I guess I'll try some new plugs next...
BTW, this is still way better than the 14 mpg my truck was getting - not to mention WAY more fun!
 

Last edited by mpdwag; Mar 30, 2008 at 10:30 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2008 | 04:54 PM
  #30  
blackslvr's Avatar
blackslvr
1st Gear
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
I'm trying to figure this out too...I'll try to change to the 15% pulley plus intake/exhaust and wheels and we'll see
 
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2008 | 08:36 AM
  #31  
VicSkimmr's Avatar
VicSkimmr
6th Gear
15 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,278
Likes: 14
From: Myrtle Beach, SC
Originally Posted by supermini02
i put a K&N filter in mine and stay out of boost for normal driving and shift at like 3500 and i get like 30 city and 39.5 highway and trust me im 18 i dont drive nice
There's just no way. Not even an R56 S can get that for city driving.
 
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2008 | 08:57 AM
  #32  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
Sure it can...

if your OBC is as bad as mine has been.....

Matt
 
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2008 | 09:07 AM
  #33  
BSUCardinalfan's Avatar
BSUCardinalfan
5th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 991
Likes: 4
From: Atlanta
My OBC reads around 40 at 60 mph in sixth on a flat highway. I've never done a complete tank like that, of course.

I've found my OBC is pretty close to what I actually end up calculating, too. one big tip to increase mileage - coast up to stop lights and stop signs. too many people run up on them and then slam on the brakes.

I can get over 30 on a tank if I really, really try. Usually, though, I get bored with trying after about half a tank, and end up at 26 or so!
 
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2008 | 01:11 PM
  #34  
mpdwag's Avatar
mpdwag
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 122
Likes: 0
From: Texas, Y'all
I just filled up again this morning, and it's (Gasp!) down to 21.3 actual! I was pretty P.O.'d until I realized that last week my wife borrowed the car and did me the "favor" of filling the car up. I called her and asked her if she put premium gas in it and, of course, she said, "Why would I do that? Regular is 40 cents cheaper!"
 
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2008 | 01:16 PM
  #35  
cmt52663's Avatar
cmt52663
6th Gear
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,166
Likes: 402
Originally Posted by mpdwag
I just filled up again this morning, and it's (Gasp!) down to 21.3 actual! I was pretty P.O.'d until I realized that last week my wife borrowed the car and did me the "favor" of filling the car up. I called her and asked her if she put premium gas in it and, of course, she said, "Why would I do that? Regular is 40 cents cheaper!"
<captain obvious>is there a clue there? </captain obvious>

i'm surprised! that tempts me to guess there is a pretty direct relationship in your case between octane and mileage. i'm surprised because i'd have guessed (apparently incorrectly) that the knock sensor is not retarding the timing on a healthy MCS even with 89 octane fuel.

one way to check it would be to try a tank of the best fuel you can get, and see if that produces a gain (of course you have to have invariant driving habits )

am i wandering off the reservation here folks?

one note: the air cleaner "looks clean" is somewhat an assumption may i say? i do not know how much flow loss occurs on an element before it looks dirty (just my ignorance). you might know better.

(just for data, my JCW is also pullied of course - i forget what the % is. i was getting 26-27 quite consistantly until two months ago when i stumbled across a mileage thread. i tried shifting up at 3k unless i needed power, and since then i've had a consistant 30 with a max of 32.9. in my case the shift point gained me 20% more mileage. of course since max torque is at 4k that is like having a beautiful lover and vowing chastity!)
 

Last edited by cmt52663; Mar 31, 2008 at 01:23 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2008 | 04:54 PM
  #36  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
Another way..

is to log timing.

The stock MCS pull timing on 91 octane, the best we get here in CA (usually). This is just another data point in the evolution of motoring. When cars weren't governed by knock sensors, running the lowest octane you could without ping was the cheapest way to drive. Not so much now.

Dropping 40 cents a gallon with a 10% drop in mileage is a wash here in CA, without even thinking about the performance drop....

Matt
 
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2008 | 05:02 PM
  #37  
minimusprime's Avatar
minimusprime
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,429
Likes: 1
From: Flying My Roflcopter
this sounds stupid... but i've always gotten meh mileage in my 06 mcs. Some times great and most of the time average.

well otw to amviv i followed my buddy who has a cooper and doesn't drive like an idiot like i tend to... i ended up with insane mileage that i had never gotten before. I just need to stay out of the gas more i guess. I just had a bad habit of sinking my foot into boost every time i needed to make an adjustment in traffic on the highway. Thus proving that a carbon unit adjustment can some times be the best tune up.
 
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2008 | 05:08 PM
  #38  
kgardnez's Avatar
kgardnez
4th Gear
15 Year Member
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 429
Likes: 2
From: Ann Arbor, MI
I've found mileage to be about:
1. Your right foot, this is the single largest impact. Like food, anything fun is bad!
2. Tires and pressure (wide summer stickies are bad, narrow hard tires good)
3. Aerodynamics
4. 2 vs. 4 wheel drive (a 4-5 mpg hand up on my Audi)
 
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2008 | 07:25 PM
  #39  
Ancient Mariner's Avatar
Ancient Mariner
6th Gear
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,517
Likes: 3
From: Washington. No, the other one.
So... here's the basic facts: any fuel-injected car conforming to emissions standards of the last 10 years burns 98 to 99 percent of it's fuel. That leaves 1 to 2 percent to play with using aftermarket addons or whatever. If the engine is running well, in tune, and not worn out, there's not much left to gain. Driving technique will have probably the biggest single effect of anything you can do.
Dragging brakes, slipping clutch, low tire pressure, or poor alignment all directly effect mileage, too. I don't think there's any single 'magic bullet' answer to good fuel economy, but rather a bunch of little things that can be done. IMO.
-skip-
 

Last edited by Ancient Mariner; Mar 31, 2008 at 07:29 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 04:00 PM
  #40  
gtc's Avatar
gtc
1st Gear
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Might want to check your gas; if 93 octane is achieved with a lot of ethanol additives, your mileage won't be nearly as good as use a 91 octane with little or no ethanol. If you are interested, do a little google search on ethanol and mileage - if ethanol producers admit that the mileage can be much worse (flex-fuel drivers have reported 20-40% decrease in range per tank!!!!), thus costing substantially more for consumer, even if they pay less at the pump through government subsidies...
 
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 04:05 PM
  #41  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
I think this is partially true

if timing can advance a lot because of the anti-knock properties, then you can have a lot more crank duration at high piston pressures. It's very non-linear and one of the reasons that lower octane gas gets worse gas mileage dispite the fact it may have higher energy denstity.

Matt
 
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 04:45 PM
  #42  
IMGRFX's Avatar
IMGRFX
4th Gear
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 474
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
According to OBC, I was getting 38+ mpg going about 62 the other night. That was the best I've seen on the highway.

03 MCS
 
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2008 | 06:13 PM
  #43  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
Don't trust your OBC

unless you've checked it against the odometer using old fasioned math. Mine has been wayyyyyy off.

Matt
 
Reply
Old Apr 2, 2008 | 10:01 AM
  #44  
polizei's Avatar
polizei
6th Gear
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,398
Likes: 0
From: Cincinnati, Ohio
Matt keeps saying don't trust your OBC, yet people still do...I know mine is usually 3-5 off. My OBC says I get 21.5-22mpg, but my actual recordings are between 16-20mpg, depending on my driving. My average is usually 18mpg. I normally drive 190-200 miles between fill ups.

-Cody
 
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2008 | 03:59 PM
  #45  
Doggers's Avatar
Doggers
1st Gear
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
I find following a bus or a big truck at 70 MPH really improves my MPG.
I don't crawl up it's butt, but just where I can still see the vehicle's mirrors makes a huge difference. I get up to 55 MPG in some situations on flat ground.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Mini Mania
Drivetrain Products
0
Aug 28, 2015 02:20 PM
Mini Mania
Drivetrain Products
0
Aug 27, 2015 12:25 PM
Mini Mania
Interior/Exterior Products
0
Aug 24, 2015 02:09 PM
Mini Mania
Drivetrain Products
0
Aug 21, 2015 12:59 PM
Mini Mania
Drivetrain Products
0
Aug 21, 2015 11:25 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:35 AM.