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R50/53 keep side curtain airbag, or not

Old Mar 13, 2008 | 04:46 PM
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how will i know how to do that LOL
Wiring diagrams! Pick up a copy of the Bentley service manual. They're only $60-90. It's loaded with info, including wiring diagrams. Very useful if you plan to work on your own car.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 06:50 PM
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The bag then literally bursts from its storage site at up to 200 mph (322 kph) -- faster than the blink of an eye! A second later, the gas quickly dissipates through tiny holes in the bag, thus deflating the bag so you can move.

per this article-

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/airbag1.htm

so, it bursts out pretty damn fast, but deflates so u can move in less one second:

The whole process happens in only one-twenty-fifth of a second.

making this statement false:

Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
the hole in the bag is designed so that it can't let the gas out not that fast so the bag will inflate. The bags are strong too, otherwise they'd just pop if you actually hit it. And they don't. Really they contain explosive rates of expansion and leak out with a time constant that is 10x or more than the fill rate. It's actually very slow compared to the speed they inflate. Unplug the suckers, then keep the wheel side down.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 07:10 PM
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I think the "howstuffworks" article wasn't very clear/accurate about the times involved. 1/25th of a second (4 milliseconds) is a typical time for airbag deployment and inflation. The entire process (deployment, inflation and deflation) usually takes 0.2-0.3 seconds.

So, even though the deflation time might not be ten times longer than the deployment/inflation time, it's still several times longer.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 07:14 PM
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still, .3 of a second? u cant even blink that fast, lol.

i dont know what i want to do at this point, really i dont....i dont really want to remove them...but i dont know....crap
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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You may as well remove them... If you hit or get hit hard enough to deploy the airbags the car is probably going to buckle and fold from the 500 lbs sitting on the area where you chose to remove all the structural integrity of the car.....
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by s.mini.madness
Wiring diagrams! Pick up a copy of the Bentley service manual. They're only $60-90. It's loaded with info, including wiring diagrams. Very useful if you plan to work on your own car.
You may want to read his other thread, https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=114128, before you try to use caution and reason with him. His is a driven man and will move in his own direction!
 
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 04:59 AM
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i know i messed up that crossmember dude, for the 98734789th time, it will be fixed. give it a rest already, jeez.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FeedBack
You may want to read his other thread, https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=114128, before you try to use caution and reason with him. His is a driven man and will move in his own direction!
Aaand the good advice shows up now! All that hard work could have been avoided. It was a good brawl, either way, and I enjoyed it.

Modern airbags are actually two-stage. The ones in the MINI have weight sensors in the seats that allow the control module to calculate exactly how much force to put into the blast based on the weight (or lack thereof) in the seats. They're capable of turning OFF the passenger airbag depending on whether they see a) weight in the seat, and b) the seatbelt fastened.

Thus the reason the SRS light came on when whatsis-name removed his seat.
 

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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by pimpedout97x
i know i messed up that crossmember dude, for the 98734789th time, it will be fixed. give it a rest already, jeez.
That's nothing. I broke my upper A/C compressor mounts once. Don't ask.
 

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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:42 AM
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lol
 
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:14 PM
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where are the sensors at for the curtain airbags? i just watched from crash test, and both were front end collisions, and only the front bags deployed.

i assume the seats and curtain bags only go off if its a side impact?
 
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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They're under the seats, I think....

You can see if REALOEM lets you figure it out....

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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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ive made a decision.

im going to leave them there, connected and all.

from what i can see from the crash test vids (front collision only in the vids) the top/seat airbags didnt go off. just dash.

brings me to the conclusion that the sensors only are trigged in a side collision, which is going to be a bad wreck anyways, more likely fatal, and the chances of a side collision is slim to none, if you are cautious at all intersections really. when driving straight, you really cant get t boned, unless its some crazy situation, which can happen, but its not likely, not enough to stress over this anyways, IMHO.

so im gonna leave them in. if i get t-bones, the airbags go off, who cares what happens. its gonna be bad, system, factory mini cooper, air bag, no airbag.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 08:56 AM
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I think you're wrong here

you still have the seat bags, and the side impace protection designed into the structure. But if that's what you want to do.....

Matt
 
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pimpedout97x
ive made a decision.

im going to leave them there, connected and all.
I think you made a good decision. The chances of being T-boned hard enough to set off the side impact bags are pretty slim, anyways.

As to where the impact sensors are located, didn't I tell you in one post? They're under the rear passenger seats.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
you still have the seat bags, and the side impace protection designed into the structure. But if that's what you want to do.....

Matt
I think I just went ten rounds with him back there convincing him that the other airbags in the car wouldn't work with the SRS light on. So if you read back, you know my opinion on that.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2017 | 02:13 PM
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Resurrection....

So, resurrecting and old thread...

I'm converting a daily R53 to track car, who's purpose it so drive to the track, on the track, then home.

I am removing the side curtain airbags. That's 12-14 pounds removed I no longer need the car to carry.

I have found, using a very low-brow technique, the SRS resistance of the side airbags system is 2.2 ohms.

One previous post was correct, there is a cross-bar in the cylinder that jumps the pins when the system connector is missing. By moving it out of the way with toothpick halves I found 2.2 ohm across the pins (see image).

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZGu4UridejclKA0i1

So, if you are going to remove your side curtain airbags, you want to jump the car's harness with 2.2 ohm resistors on each side.

Cheers!
 
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