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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:16 PM
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Incredible Whine!

OK. I have come across a thread regarding FMICs and saw 2 awesome videos...
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...98E71600DA.htm

The whine from that car is beyond incredible. I want to find out how to mimic that sound on my car. Does anybody have some ideas of how to go about achieving that lovely whine?
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AstroBlackS
OK. I have come across a thread regarding FMICs and saw 2 awesome videos...
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...98E71600DA.htm

The whine from that car is beyond incredible. I want to find out how to mimic that sound on my car. Does anybody have some ideas of how to go about achieving that lovely whine?
Sounds like a normal ALTA whine or JCW with the valve open.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:37 PM
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I have the Alta and its sounds nice but definitely not that loud. I can't wait until I eventually get a pulley, I know that will make a difference.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:37 PM
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Nah. Its the discontinued Webb CF FMIC that makes the whine so loud...
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Sounds like a normal ALTA whine or JCW with the valve open.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AstroBlackS
OK. I have come across a thread regarding FMICs and saw 2 awesome videos...
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...98E71600DA.htm

The whine from that car is beyond incredible. I want to find out how to mimic that sound on my car. Does anybody have some ideas of how to go about achieving that lovely whine?
That was achieved with the now discontinued Webb Motorsports Carbon Fiber FMIC. The next best way would be an M7 AGS.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:41 PM
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Here is an entire lap or two around my beloved Second Creek with the FMIC on the Mule:

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The AGS sounds nothing like it, but then nothing else really does. Any open CAI will give you a much more pronounced whine though - Alta, Madness, Mania or Pilo with the rear cowl mod.

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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:42 PM
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That was achieved with the now discontinued Webb Motorsports Carbon Fiber FMIC. The next best way would be an M7 AGS.
I had considered that as an option many a time, but I'm just not comfortable with the way the throttle body is repositioned. I saw a friend of mine install it on his and it did indeed sound great, just that throttle body was literally held in there with zip ties.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 04:46 PM
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The pulley along with K&N CAI gives me that sound however not as loud but again, I'm sitting inside of the car and can hear it when punching the boost well enough.

I don't have AGS/BPV either.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 05:06 PM
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For comparison, here is the car without the FMIC at Laguna Seca:

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The lift up the back straight is to appease the noise gods (the sound meter is right where I lift).

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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyBMC
Here is an entire lap or two around my beloved Second Creek with the FMIC on the Mule:

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The AGS sounds nothing like it, but then nothing else really does. Any open CAI will give you a much more pronounced whine though - Alta, Madness, Mania or Pilo with the rear cowl mod.

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Yeah, I was thinking more from a volume standpoint from outside the car.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 05:26 PM
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Why was the FMIC discontinued? I do remember much talk about engine movement under acceleration and braking causing problems with the mounts as they do not move and end up breaking.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AstroBlackS
Why was the FMIC discontinued? I do remember much talk about engine movement under acceleration and braking causing problems with the mounts as they do not move and end up breaking.
Randy's on this thread, so he can tell you, but I saw this IC on the Mule and on a car from LA in LV at AMVIV. The problem was the boots that connected the CF "horns" to the FMIC. The engine moves and the IC is fixed to the chassis-so those boots had to take quite a bit of flex. The boots looked like rubber or silicone, and didnt have enough flex to prevent the clamps from loosening and causing pressure leaks. On the track, on the DS car, it was fatal and only lasted a couple of laps. There's a whole thread about this--just do a search.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 07:04 PM
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HAHA!! I posted the video of the guy revving, like a week ago....
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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We finally got all the bugs worked out - it is still on the DS car now - but it is NLA due to the lack of a carbon manufacturer, and it is prohibitively expensive as well ($2900).

There were two separate issues. The first was the one I mentioned above - the bonding material was wrong. The second was the clamps and silicone used to mate the runner to the intercooler. When the size and clamps were changed, it finally worked (the video of Second Creek was a test session).

Here is another video for sound comparison that I just uploaded - it hasn't been seen before - from the first NAMCC race in Vegas:

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Hope that helps!
Randy
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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HAHA!! I posted the video of the guy revving, like a week ago....
Its been discussed months ago...
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 09:27 PM
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Its been discussed months ago...
ok, thanks didnt realize I reposted, and this guy too.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 09:36 PM
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Hey I enjoyed seeing it this time!

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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 08:59 AM
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Loved watching it...especially the disappearing MINI in the rear view mirror. Sure you don't want to bring the MULE......
 
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyBMC
We finally got all the bugs worked out - it is still on the DS car now - but it is NLA due to the lack of a carbon manufacturer, and it is prohibitively expensive as well ($2900).

There were two separate issues. The first was the one I mentioned above - the bonding material was wrong. The second was the clamps and silicone used to mate the runner to the intercooler. When the size and clamps were changed, it finally worked (the video of Second Creek was a test session).

Here is another video for sound comparison that I just uploaded - it hasn't been seen before - from the first NAMCC race in Vegas:

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Hope that helps!
Randy
May there ever be a possibility of the IC coming off the NLA list? As completely unecessary as it would be for a street car, it would TOTALLY be something I'd love have.
 
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Old Feb 14, 2007 | 03:56 PM
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Problem is, you are one of maybe half a dozen, and the cost to do that limited number of intercoolers is insane, and I would have to find a manufacturer for the carbon fiber quality we would need.

Randy
 
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AstroBlackS, I believe that I have THE ultimate whine. I would love to post the sound file, but I do not have time to put it in a video clip and put it in youtube. I have it on a wma sound file. Send me a PM with an email address and I can send it to you. I promise, you will have to change your trunks... Mad Max would be proud..... The sound was recorded INSIDE the car with the windows closed and it is loud and sweet. It is even better with the window open.

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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 05:11 PM
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OK. So I have listened to bomboasy's sound files and WOW. The sound of the scream when on the throttle is something else. I've hosted the files, here are the links...
http://www.savefile.com/files/504335
http://www.savefile.com/files/504340
 

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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 06:32 AM
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invalid download session??

Not working for me.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 02:30 PM
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Now that I know where I can host this, I tried it myself. I hope it works for you. I did tried it myself and it seems to be working fine now with the link below.

http://www.savefile.com/projects/1082060

Bomboasy

PS. I deleted one of the files. It needed to be normalized for volume. In case you download it and the volume was very low. The new version is better.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 03:44 PM
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OK. Fixed the links in my previous post
 
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